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Who are the worst players in White Sox history?
WBWSF replied to ChiSoxFanMike's topic in Pale Hose Talk
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LDF; Veeck said "The future is now, 5 year plans usually lead to new 5 year plans" in his auto-biography, Veeck As In Wreck. The main problem I had with Veeck was he didn't practice what he preached during his 2nd ownership of the White Sox. 4 of his 5 years of his 2nd ownership produced some of the worse teams in White Sox history. Plus he tried to move the White Sox to Denver after the 1980 season.
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Dunt; I agree with you. Adding a few pieces could easily make this team a Playoff Contender in 2016. Although I was not a fan of Bill Veeck, I agreed with when he said "The future is now, 5 year plans usually lead to new 5 year plans". With the core of Abreu, Eaton. Sale, Quintana, Rodon and Robertson we could easily contend in 2016. Adding a few pieces would definitely make things interesting in 2016. I'm hoping Hahn can get it done.
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I couldn't go yesterday. Did they have a big turnout? Did Nancy Fausts organ sell? Who bought it?
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Kyle Seager would solve the third base problem of the White Sox for years to come. He's young, a left handed hitter and a Gold Glove third baseman. He's also tied up for years with his present contract. He's one of the few people i would trade Quintana for.
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I've always maintained that a man needs 2 things to be happy in life. He must be in love with his work and he must be in love with his wife. It looks like Jose Abreu has both now.
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If the White Sox are going to trade Quintana I would hope he would go to Seattle for 3rd baseman Kyle Seager. Seager is young, a good power hitter who hits left handed and is a Gold Glove 3rd baseman. Seager would solve alot of our problems if the White Sox acquire him. He's also tied up for a number of years with his contract.
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I just hope that Hahn does something to improve the team for 2016. Some White Sox people have implied that they're not going to make major changes in the team. They seem to think that some of their players will bounce back from a bad 2015. I'm hoping that is just talk on their behalf. The team needs some new blood on the team otherwise it's going to be another long year in 2016.
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I don't know if Ozzie gets another chance to manage the White Sox or elsewhere. I do know that EVERYBODY I talk to wants Ventura to be gone. JR is not a stupid man. I've read and heard all this talk about him being loyal to his front office and manager. There might be some truth to that but he has to realize that Ventura has to go. JR didn't resign Albert Belle after he hit over 40 Home Runs for the White Sox. JR realized that Belle was not wanted back by the White Sox fans and he didn't bring him back. He has to realize by now that Ventura is not wanted back here as White Sox manager. Dan McGrath (writer for the Sun Times) has said that Ventura will not come back next year. He said Ventura is not enjoying his job. I hope McGrath is correct.
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You're right. I will miss baseball this winter. I don't follow or care about the other sports. But I will be glad to see the 2015 White Sox season end. This has been a very disturbing year. This is the 3rd year in a row the White Sox have been bad and I'm simply tired of them losing. Hopefully there will be some big changes this off season to the team and we will have something to look forward to in 2016.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Avi Garcia was moved this off season. Last week he had 2 hits in the game and was lifted in the 8th inning for a pinch hitter. That hitter was Adam LaRoche. Garcia can't be thought of highly by the White Sox if LaRoche is pinch hitting for him.
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This bobblehead hobby is BIG. At the last White Sox bobblehead giveaway (Scotty Pods) I met somebody who is a big time bobblehead collector. He said he has over 1,200 different bobbleheads. I thought he was kidding. He took out his smartphone and showed me pictures of his mancave/bobblehead room. He wasn't kidding.
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Chris Tannehill/Score trying to make Harrelson look bad...?
WBWSF replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Don Orsillo the TV announcer is leaving the Red Sox job after this season. Is he leaving to come to Chicago to be the White Sox TV announcer in 2016? On the White Sox last road trip to KC, I was told the Royals announcers were saying that this is the last year for the Hawk with the White Sox. I don't know anything about Don Orsillo. -
I don't think JR cares what his legacy is. I read where he once said that he has had a very happy life. Owning part of the White Sox, Bulls and the United Center would make most people happy. Forbes magazine said JR is a billionaire. Not bad for somebody who grew up in a middle class family in Brooklyn. There has been good and bad about his White Sox ownership. THE GOOD: 1) He kept the White Sox in Chicago. Eddie Einhorn and some of the other investors wanted to move to Florida Granted JR got a sweetheart deal from the State of Illinois with the new stadium but believe me Einhorn wanted to move to Florida. JR didn't. 2) JR helped the White Sox become a very profitable franchise. With the different deals the White Sox have Forbes magazine has said the White Sox franchise is 14th in total revenue of the 30 MLB teams. Anybody who thinks the White Sox are not making money is definitely misreading the situation. THe BAD:1) 5 Playoff appearances in 35 years is nothing to write home about. 2) The Sportsvision fiasco. Having Sportsvision before the Chicagoland area was wired for cable was nuts. If the area had been wired for cable it probably would of succeeded. It wasn't and Sportsvision flopped. 3) The New Comiskey Park 2/ Cell. I'm convinced the new stadium has to be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. When JR was looking for a new stadium for the White Sox in the 1980's the City of Chicago wanted to build a baseball stadium in the South Loop at Roosevelt + Clark. JR turned down the offer and wanted the new stadium to be built in Addison on land he owned. When that didn't work out the City of Chicago South Loop stadium offer was off the table. The White Sox wound up at its present location. JR should of taking the initial offer by the City of Chicago with the South Loop stadium. Everybody would of been better off with a South Loop stadium. By everybody I mean the White Sox franchise. White Sox fans and the City of Chicago. Instead they're located in a area that is not popular. The entire perception of the White Sox franchise would of been better in the South Loop. It's bad enough the stadium was built where it was but they built a stadium where nobody wants to sit in the upper deck. I've read numerous times where the upper deck was JRs doing entirely. He wanted more suites which made the upper deck what it is today. Sometime, somewhere someday the White Sox will have a new owner. The new owner will inherit this bad stadium situation. I think the current lease runs through 2027. I'm expecting the next owner sometime around the year 2025 to start looking for a new stadium for the White Sox in a better location. Like I said earlier I don't think JR cares what his legacy is. From what I can see his legacy with the White Sox is not a good one.
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I'm surprised the White Sox will be wearing those uniforms again. They have to be the worse looking uniforms in White Sox history. After JR bought the team in 1981 he said that he had the most mail from fans requesting the White Sox get new uniforms. They were not only ugly uniforms, they were worn in one of the worse eras in White Sox history, 1976-1980. The only good year of that era was 1977. The rest of the years were HORRIBLE.
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Maybe the White Sox don't think he's good enough to succeed in the Big Leagues. If he's not brought up in September I'm expecting him to be moved in a trade this off season.
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They had over 34,000 last night against NY. I think this is the first time they won a game this year at home that had a big crowd.
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I'm not close to the Phillies situation. Cole Hamels was traded to Texas for not much of anything that I can see. I don't know if Hamels wanted to be traded. I do know if I was a Phillies fan, I wouldn't be happy with what the Phillies received in the trade. Two of the so called top prospects the Phillies received are having mediocre seasons this year. With all the talk of the White Sox trading Shark, I hope that if Hahn does trade him they get a better return for him than what the Phillies received for Hamels.
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I read where the White Sox TV ratings have gone up a great deal on this winning road trip. I'm just wondering if the White Sox fans will turn out for this upcoming homestand. There are a ton of unsold tickets for this series against the first place Yankees on WhiteSox.com. I'm hoping for some good crowds this weekend which is shaping up as a big series for the White Sox.
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Juston Upton is there for the taking. He would look good as the White Sox DH.
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Somebody posted that the Orange line didn't have a stop at Roosevelt until years later. When the City of Chicago wanted to build the stadium for the White Sox in the South Loop, one of the things involved in the negociations was the adding of a el station at that location. The White Sox would have had to contribute to the cost of the station. JR refused to help pay for that train station. That helped break down the talks between the City and JR. Never made any sense to me what JR did. Every marketing study I have ever seen has shown that 20% of White Sox attendance comes via public transportation. I'm convinced more and more that no matter what the City offered JR he was going to refuse their offers because he wanted to have the stadium built in Addison on land that he owned. If the stadium had been built in Addison I don't know if JR would of owned the stadium. But I do know he owned that land. He wound up selling that land for $9 million dollars. My final comment on this subject is that for most of my life the White Sox ownerships were always talking about a new stadium for the White Sox going back as far as 1967. I never ever thought the new stadium would be built in the same area as the old stadium. I think JR screwed up big time, and the franchise and White Sox fan base has suffered because of it. No tears will be shed on my part when he is no longer running the White Sox. He had a stadium built where it should not have been built and he built a stadium where nobody wants to sit in the upper deck.
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Dick Allen: I still can't believe to this day that JR had the opportunity to have a stadium built in the South Loop and instead wanted to go to Dupage County. They would have drawn alot more people in the South Loop as opposed to their present location OR Dupage County. It has to be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. I will shed no tears when JR no longer owns the team. The bad thing is the next owner will have the same problem with the Cells location.
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I was driving home from the game last night and I heard Les Grobstein talking about Kris Bryant of the bad guys on the Northside. He pointed out that Bryants batting average is in free fall.( He's now hitting .256) Grobstein said now that the scouts have seen Bryant they now know how to pitch to him. The reason why I'm bringing this up is because maybe the AL teams have figured out how to pitch to Abreu. Jose simply is not the same hitter this year as he was in 2014. People seem to speculate that he's hurt now. I don't know that for a fact, but I wish he would start resembling the hitter he was in 2014.
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Keep in mind this offer by the City of Chicago in the South Loop was made in the late 1980's. From what I know the White Sox refused the South Loop offer and the City of Chicago went in another direction. To the best of my knowledge there's a Target store there now with other retail. It was a much more desirable location for a stadium then where the Cell is now. Ironically former White Sox owner Art Allyn wanted to build a stadium for the White Sox at that South Loop location with PRIVATE funds in 1967. Mayor Daley wouldn't give Allyn the permits to build the stadium. After Daley wouldn't allow him to build the stadium that's when Allyn tinkered with moving the team to Milwaukee. Bruce Levine had a column on this subject last year.
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I have thought that not moving the White Sox into the South Loop has to be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. I think JR made a blunder of historic proportion. The franchise would of been much better off in the South Loop than its present location. I can't wait until JR is no longer running the team. I think his overall legacy with the White Sox is not a good one.