Sleepy Harold

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 11:11 AM) I'm convinced you are Kenny Williams. Seriously, I can't think of a single poster who's been more gung-ho on the "retool train" because, like every other year, we're only a few pieces away from "contention".

QUOTE (captain54 @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 05:54 PM) True, you've provided specific names.. but you've also predicated most of your scenarios on the fact the JR woke up from a dream and a vision one night, a vision where he magically and mystically increased Sox payroll from middling, at least upper middling… Here's my plan.. I think YOU should be the GM .. screw Hahn, screw Kenny.. you're the man with the plan to take the Sox to the promised land… to walk the disgruntled and miserable fandom from the darkness... It's funny how you're challenging people for names and specifics, when the folks who are actually being paid to make the deals, probably aren't even sure at this point what is and isn't on the table…. My Plan? Let's see the Sox let go of the fact that they are Kings of Baseball when it comes to having the sweetest cost controlled players in MLB…. Then, let's see the Sox make some SERIOUS efforts to get the best and I mean, best in the biz.. scouts and talent evaluators…. Then, let's make Kenny Williams accountable for every dumb silly ego driven football-type move he's ever made.. and ever dumb silly thing he's ever said… Let's find a manager who didn't play for the Sox (Martinez being the possible exception) in the 80's, 90's or 00's.. who actually has some professional coaching or managerial experience… Let's figure out what exactly Don Cooper is contributing to the organization at this point, and if there's another out there better….. Let's find a hitting coach that absolutely refuses to let a player pick up a bat until that player has a plan against the given pitcher that day… And of course, as a priority, lets AGRESSIVELY shop both Sale and Quinana this offseason .. no, not mid season 2017.. THIS OFFSEASON.. and work from there.. the goal being an influx of properly evaluated young AND more established talent… I couldn't agree more with the points you've touched on here. I can't take anymore of trying the same thing time after time and expecting a different result. It would be extremely refreshing to have a different approach to organizational processes and valuations that FINALLY start putting emphasis on areas the sox have been sorely lacking for quite a while now. I know watching games if a rebuild occurs may be tough for some seasons, but this "retool" charade that's been going on is just as tough to watch.

Sox recall Coats, Leury, and Blake Smith And Miggy activated***

I had to choose all of the above. While I'm still happy when they win and watching the progression of some of the younger players is encouraging, watching the same dumpster fire year after year with the same issues has taken it's toll.

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 03:47 PM) It also isn't home to a professional franchise in a major 4 sport. Smoothie King Center This is pretty atrocious.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Yeah it has been a bit strange but maybe they have a defensive instructor in GF that they like to work with Fisher first. That could make some sense because it seems that his bat has nothing left to prove in GF anymore, maybe someone blocking him in Kanny is another reason, but I'd like to see him get some time in Kanny before the year is up.

More From WSD, FWIW I didn't hear the call, but the latter seems like his opinion to me.

another hot take, FWIW link

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) Wonder if he got that information from a phenomenal source? In all seriousness, I don't think that bit of a info would surprise anyone. Yeah not very surprising one bit, flat out disheartening that this is STILL the case. Can't make up their minds about a direction for the team and get caught with their hands down their pants at the deadline yet again.

link if anyone wants it

Yeah while probably not ideal, if picking up Gomez meant seeing less or the end of JB Shuck playing for the White Sox I'm all for it.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) I think the only thing preventing Fisher from heading to Kanny is the crowd in that outfield. They already have Alex Call, Micker Adolfo, Antonio Rodriguez and Tyler Sullivan, all of whom are prospects at one level or another. One of them would need to go to W-S I think, before Fisher (or Schnurbusch) can move up. Great, thanks for the input! I appreciate it.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) It's not been a great year on the farm, but July was a nice improvement with a lot of good performances in the lower levels. A pitcher and an outfielder currently in Great Falls win the awards for the month. Here's the article. Any of the names (winners or runners up) that anyone is particularly interested in? The Sox are so depressing, might as well focus on the future! Although not necessarily mentioned in the article, do you have any inkling as to when Jameson Fisher may be promoted? I'd like to see, selfishly of course, Fisher and Call man the OF in tandem throughout the system. I feel that it could be beneficial for the both of them if they get used to playing along side one another, but that may just be me.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) I'd like to consider myself a rational person. For me, I love sports. Played them, love to talk them, prefer to watch them over standard TV, etc. It doesn't effect my life but I'd say I'm a passionate fan. If they lose, I'll give it a "damn it" or "these guys suck" but then I go on with my day. So it isn't "my life" per say, but I love the game. I don't pass any judgement on those where it plays a bigger role in their lives, I just see it for what it is. Entertainment, hobby, etc. This franchise though, given the geographic situation (2 teams splitting a city), is comprised mainly of the "die hard" fans. Which is a big deal to me because they have always stuck by you through thick and thin, and 95% of this franchise is in that thin category. They put up with the step-child type attitudes socially. They expect more and so on. I've seen "fair weather" used to describe people, and I'm sorry, if you're on a board like this, you're not a fair weather fan. You don't go to those lengths to talk about your team. So using that as an insult is silly/immature. My friends who are Sox fans are all big baseball fans. I have a lot of friends who really, truly don't care but if they had to pick - they choose to be a Cub fan. Not an attack on the Cubs, it's just the reality. They have more casual fans. Now, as far as this fan base goes, I have to say, this feels different. It's beyond the normal "we stink". And that is troublesome. I can't recall a time in my life where so many people I've talked to are so upset, or "sickened," that it would alter them being a fan of the team permanently. And these people aren't just venting, there is a genuine distain that has taken a toll on them. That kind of thing only happens to people who truly care. That doesn't stem from bad play, because you can stomach that. It stems from feeling like the organization doesn't care about them. Which in all the bad years I've seen, this is a first to hear/feel from those people. My dad has been a fan for 65+ years and he literally watches the Cub games. Doesn't root for them, but he can't stand the Sox anymore and still loves watching baseball. Right now, the Cubs have a watchable product - even if you're rooting for them to lose. To your point, you don't root for the ownership, you root for the team. What you're misunderstanding, and what those people are saying, is whether you're a casual fan, an intense fan, or whatever - this ownership/management group has essentially ruined their ability to enjoy baseball. So while I get your point "people should be a fan of the team itself," this continuous failure/incompetency/etc is having an effect on their ability to enjoy the team itself. That is a major, major problem. It's one thing if you're bad. Things happen. Your star players who help you draw fans can still perform well in those cases, just other teams may be better that season. You look at it and search for the optimism, "there is always next year". When you can't even say that, you get that "what's the point?" feeling. Why waste the energy? And when your fan base is smart enough to point the blame at the front office/ownership, hostility/animosity grows because you can't blame players for simply just not being good. The guys who are lining their pockets based off the money you're spending to see the team are the issue. They're responsible for assembling a product warranting your money being spent. They're failing miserably. Not 100 losses every year miserably, but this is potentially worse. I'm of the business mindset that you're better off being terrible so you can, in theory, get better. You get franchise changing players through the draft (see the Cubs, Astros, Royals, disregard the 76ers, etc.). We're "mired in mediocrity." If it's the team, that's one thing. When your hand is being forced by ownership/executives to not care about their product, it's another. So I get where those people are coming from. I've never understood people who can change what team they root for. At the same time, those are frustrated people and eventually, enough is enough. That same thing applies to a job, a gf/spouse, a friend, whatever. Eventually, it isn't worth their time, effort, energy, and in this case, their money. This situation is unique because you have a fan base who is so tired of failure that a majority of them feel the only way it's possible to win is to tear it down. Most teams fear tearing it down because it'll be bad for business. When you're already one of the worst draws in baseball, both for tv and the ticket sales, it would appear to be a disaster to do it if you're in the FO. However, this fan base is begging for it because they know it's necessary. They know that the front office has badly damaged the franchise by not doing their job well. The brand itself, which we should be rooting for, is suffering and they're to blame. When given the opportunity and support from the fanbase to sell, something both parties know is greatly needed, they hold and do nothing. They don't add, they hardly subtract - they hold. Yikes. The way I see it. When a player stinks, you cut/trade him. When a manager is bad, he gets fired. If your GM/President make bad moves - they get fired. And when all of that is occurring but these people all still have jobs - you have to point to the highest ranking person and place the blame there. Once you do, you're holding him accountable. So it's up to him to completely turn-over everything, or leave. Knowing it's a business and how unlikely that is, you're left feeling hopeless as a fan. So why bother? I get that and I get where everyone is coming from. And I agree, this franchise would be better with a new owner. Being that most of us see him doing the same nonsense with his other team, it really screams that this guy is part of the problem. He needs to go but unlike players, coaches, fans - that is extremely unlikely. Basically, you're F'd. Now, I am willing to give them through the offseason. I'd have preferred they sold at the deadline but I understand a complete franchise shift may take more time than the few weeks of preparation before the deadline. In saying that, should nothing change, I will feel like one of those people who is tired of wasting time on this group. I'll cheer for them if they're on but I won't care enough to follow them religiously. The point of sports is to compete. This is not a competitive team/organization right now. They're "mediocre" in record and a joke in reality. And when you know where the problems are but they're still around, it says they really don't care about you - the fan. When you're a passionate fan, like most Sox fans appear to be, that is a really bad look. You've managed to alienate a vast majority of your formerly unwavering fan base. That, regardless if I share the sentiment, is a disaster. Sports is such a big business now, I'm not sure it matters, but it would not shock me to see this go way south if they make the wrong moves this offseason. Anything short of an overhaul offensively, where you are a realistic contender, or a complete fire sale - will be a big mistake for the White Sox. You will lose what little casual "Chicago Fan" contingency that you have, and you will lose a lot of "die hards" who are just tired of the same incompetence. Not a good situation. Bravo! This hits the nail on the head. I couldn't express my feelings towards the current situation the White Sox are in any better than this.

Tilson Out For Season w/ Torn Hamstring Oy

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Jim Bowden ranked all GM's at the deadline on ESPN. Hahn received a F. More than his analysis, anyone happen to read it and know if there were any scouts/insiders quoted? No just his opinion noted, essentially stated that the Sox have been treading water for a while and doesn't look like that's changing soon, but that they could switch gears in the off-season. Basically the same stuff we've been fed, nothing really noteworthy besides the "F" grade.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) My money would be on JR evaluating whether or not the Kenny Hahn combo is capable of operating within the franchise framework of retooling annually with middle of the pack payroll..It just may be that he's seen enough, and this dynamic duo is on the hot seat of all hot seats... One can hope that this is true, but the pessimist in me is expecting both of them to be retained.

Tilson to 15-Day DL "Tilson strained his left hamstring last night during the 5th inning of his major-league debut while running down a fly ball in center field." ~ Sox Twitter

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) And the last 10 years of White Sox baseball has gotten fans....what exactly?

Waiver Trades ESPN Insider....No earth shattering revelations here, jist of it, Olney thinks Robertson could be traded in August to a contender with Sox potentially eating some of the remaining $.

Nats get Melancon

Frazier Scratched Hayes states flu-like symptoms hayes link

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 05:55 PM) What is the best beer these days? Beer Advocate 2015 World Beer Awards Varies no matter where you look but these are a nice jumping off point, personally I'm a big fan of Revolution and their products. But yes, Keystone Light was my college go to so it holds a special place in my heart.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) Some idiot said why would boston give that kinda package for a 41-42 pitchers. Apparently wins and loss are the only thing that matters. Gotta love people insight lol Same guy also has on his Twitter that Blue Moon may be the best beer in the world.....sooooooo yeah he knows diddly squat