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QUOTE (JRL @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 07:55 PM) He's streaky month to month (though that accurately describes many hitters, pretty much all but the very elite), but very consistent year to year. The OBP has declined the last 2 years, but so has the overall offensive environment in baseball as compared to earlier in Upton's career. His OPS+ in each of the last 2 years though have been very much consistent with his single season OPS+s throughout his career. In fact, 2014 was his second best year in that category, so I wouldn't worry too much. The lefty splits are very weird, and its really hard to think of an explanation for it other than being an anomaly. He's 28 years old, right handed and had actually hit lefties slightly better throughout his career prior to last season. I do not like Cespedes at all. Very inconsistent year to year. Very good rookie year, great contract year (albeit spurred by an unsustainable almost historical hot streak that's totally above and beyond his career numbers), and lots of meh in the 2 seasons in between. Gimme Gordon or Upton Lefty splits can vary greatly from year to year because the sample size is usually pretty small, just look at Abreu in 2014 vs. 2015, his numbers were pretty much exactly the same against RHP, but while he mashed LHP in 2014 he was terrible against them this year. I don't think either season really tells the whole story. Upton mashed lefties in 2013 and 2014, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 06:54 PM) It's amazing how underrated the guy remains but it's not surprising to hear it anymore. He could not let up a run next season and he'll finish 20th in the cy young race. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/appreciating-jose-quintana/ That's why I love this article. Author states that by pretty much any metric Quintana is at worst a top 15-20 SP in baseball, yet a lot of baseball fans don't think of him that way for whatever reason.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 06:53 PM) One less double, one more triple, and 6 less homers. I mean if you want to nitpick, whatever, but the guy still mashed. The cheapie home run stat is pretty lame Putting Laroche and Abreu on the same "falloff" plane using the cheapie home run stat is equally as lame Not sure 10 feet is significant enough to worry about either.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) Don't hate. Appreciate. What kind of sources do you have?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:11 PM) I'm hoping we add Maeda. Then hope Danks does well and we can move him at the deadline and slide EJ in his spot. I'd rather sign Upton over Maeda. I don't think Danks or LaRoche's salaries are going to be a big concern, they both only have 1 year left. If by the deadline they're really struggling and a better option presents itself from within or elsewhere, I doubt we'd keep playing them just because of the salary. We really don't have better options for those two positions right now, so there's no reason not to play them. At least give LaRoche a chance to see if he can bounce back, that's the best option at this point. That can change mid-season though depending on how things play out.

Resources are pretty limited, Hahn already said they'd have to get creative to sign an Upton or Cespedes. Assuming that happens, I'd rather just roll with Saladino at SS. At that point our lineup will look pretty good, and Saladino will be fine there. As for another SP, meh, roll with EJ/Danks and if there's an injury or EJ sucks then pick someone up at the deadline.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) Great, cause he's the best fit of anyone. How about a 4 year $70M deal to get conversations started. I don't think he's the best fit because he plays LF, we need someone to play RF.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:34 AM) He had a worse year defensively last year than Murphy ever has. Wasn't it partly due to coming off knee surgery? Though Zobrist is one of those guys that is hard to peg defensively because of all the crazy shifts the Rays did with him.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) well goddamn. im used to the previous years where he .200, .272, .171. Although he only had 200 ABs last year Helps when over 25% of his AB were against us.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) Raburn would be a good get just in terms of the Sox not having to pitch to the guy next year LOL Seriously, Raburn alone cost us 2-3 wins last year it feels like.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) It really is. That station is at the point of being unlistenable for every program now. This is almost across all Chicago media now where the story is, the White Sox are not the cubs. Every move the cubs make is gold and every move the Sox make is going to fail. I loved when the WGN morning show felt the need to point out Frazier is going to be 30 and hit poorly in the second half of 2015. That's the same age as Arrieta, is anyone trying to say he is old? I don't get it, if 30 is so old then the Cubs should have stayed far away from Zobrist and Lackey.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Was he specifically asked about adding another big bat? They are still lacking 1 hitter in the middle of that lineup. Yes he was asked about adding one of the big FA outfielders to replace Avi.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) Frazier on Hot Stove...actually this is Hahn. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/677515071761702912 That was much better than the Score interview, good stuff.

That was worthless, Hahn sounded frustrated with the KW "who's calling the shots" question and I don't blame him.

Of course the first question is why the Sox didn't go the rebuild route like the Cubs did.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) Welcome to the "White Sox are cheap and don't care as much about winning as the bottom line" offseason when all the remaining big names come off the board and musical chairs leaves the Sox as the last team left out in the cold. Half-in=death by 1,000 knife cuts I couldn't roll my eyes harder at this post if I tried.

QUOTE (Real @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 04:59 AM) I'm pretty sure LaRoche's contract for next year isn't going to hamper them signing a big FA, as they could backload the deal The issue with signing a big FA is bidding against other teams like NYY, BOS, DET, etc. Helps when teams like NYY or BOS aren't in the bidding though.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:56 PM) Yeah, this idea we need a flawless team in order to compete is beyond stupid. The way some posters talk you'd think we need 3 WAR players at every position on the roster or you might as well blow it up.

QUOTE (JRL @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:49 PM) Oh god. neither, but if it were the case that we kept both Avi and Laroche, it would have to be a platoon with Laroche playing vs righties and Avi vs lefties. I hope to god were not in that situation... Why not? Avi had a .760 OPS against LHP, and LaRoche even with his awfulness was at ~.700 OPS against RHP. Even if there's no improvement from this season (and I would expect some from LaRoche, at least against RHP), that wouldn't be that bad production from the DH spot, certainly a lot better than this year. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a ~.750 OPS from that platoon, which is still below average from the DH position, but we could live with it.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:02 PM) Thanks. I could not find that anywhere on Fangraphs. So Sox still below average with Lawrie and Frazier. Thus my assertion they are 4-5 players from being a legit championship caliber club. Of course anything can happen. you can win the division with 88 games and win the world series. unlikely, but possible. You're making it sound like they need 4-5 new players of Frazier's caliber. If the Sox did that we'd be runaway favorites for the AL Pennant. Another OF and they are easily contenders for the ALC, our division isn't that tough. Also, all you need to do is get into the playoffs to win it all, if you go by regular season record, the team with the better record has won the playoff series slightly less than 50% of the time since the strike year. The playoffs are pretty much a crapshoot.

Defensive metrics are still not as reliable as I'd like, but a run saved on defense is the same as a run created on offense, right?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:51 PM) where are these projections? http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Team

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) I can't recall the exact numbers but Sox position players had like 17 cumulative WAR, which was dead last or near it in MLB. good teams have about 40 WAR. So let's say Frazier gives you 5-6 extra. Lawrie 2-3. where's the rest coming from? Sox are projected for ~34 WAR right now, add a 3 WAR OF and we're fine. Cleveland is at 38.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:47 PM) Late to the party here, but want to be on record for future reference. 1. Trade makes sense if you are one player away from "going places." I think Sox are like 4-5 players away. 2. I don't think Lawrie can play second. Just my opinion, hopefully I am wrong. 3. Sox add yet another guy who can't draw a walk. What new? 4-5 players? We didn't lose 100 games this year.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) I like this trade. Puts a solid bat w Abreu although I wish it was a lefty. But a 25+ HR guy you take any time. He also can play 1st and is pretty good defensively there. At third , like Lawrie he is mediocre. Now Hahn needs a 3/4 starter and a OF. Frazier is not mediocre at 3B defensively, he's very good.