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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) Watch the write-ups then of Reinsdorf's so-called "legacy" in a few years when his tenure as owner of both teams has ended. The narrative has already begun in several fluff pieces: Reinsdorf being described as "so awesome" for the city of Chicago because he brought "seven" championships to the city. He brought six Bulls trophies to the city of Chicago along with the lonely ONE and only ONE championship achieved on the South Side over his nearly 40 years at the helm there. Reinsdorf somehow being made a hero in this city because he's compared to the losing likes of the Tribune Company, the McCaskey's, and Bill Wirtz. Can you imagine any faint praise greater than this!! We ought to watch out for the favorable journalistic license already underway to conflate this guy's record during his time on the South Side with that with which Michael Jordan allowed him to achieve with the Bulls. Make no mistake: Reinsdorf's last chance for salvaging his legacy with the Sox is tied to this rebuild. If under Reinsdorf's waning days of ownership, Hahn can manage to acquire and develop the kind of players that will lead to a level of achievement manifesting itself in the organization's FIRST-EVER display of sustainable postseason play, then MAYBE Reinsdorf's legacy will withstand historical scrutiny. Otherwise, he'll be lumped in with the Allyns and the rest with the rest of the organization's sad record of futility. Wow, did Reinsdorf run over your dog or something?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) @danb2310 has basically the same tweet...same language..."no pros," which I found unique Could be the same guy saying both.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 07:56 PM) For that kind of return (Jimenez and Cease), one would think it has to be coincidence, Q, or someone who has not been discussed as being available. If Gray were to command that package, I suspect we majorly f***ed up, or else we are going to be very pleased at some point in the next few weeks. Agreed that both of them seems like too much for Gray. Verlander too (and I really hope Detroit doesn't end up with Eloy). Only one that really makes sense of the commonly rumored names is Archer, but it would make no sense for the Rays to sell him right now. But I also have a really hard time seeing the Cubs trading for Quintana. Who else is worth giving up Eloy and is on the market? Maybe it's a guy like DeGrom that comes out of nowhere. Both Eloy and Cease being out of tonight's game almost seems like too much of a coincidence.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) Duke, at the time, wasn't a rental either. Maybe Swarzak's more than occassional dominance makes up for it. A Tilson-like prospect makes some sense. I don't think years of control matter that much for relievers due to their inherent fickle nature. In fact in many cases they're probably more of a deterrent than a bonus, which I think happened with Robertson this past winter.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) IMO, it really seems like the Sox are trying to move Quintana before his next start. The last thing you want is for Quintana to throw a stinker before now and the deadline and give a potential buyer cold feet. And starting Quintana on seven days rest, based on how I recall Sox starters performing on extended rest, seems like a recipe for disaster. If I planned on negotiations going closer to the deadline, I would no doubt start Q on Friday. I just don't see how what his date last scheduled date before the deadline really matters. Maximizing our return for Quintana should be only priority right now. Agree with this 100%. A bad start between now and the deadline shouldn't affect his value that much but why bother taking that risk at this point?

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) You are correct. In fact, I saw some Yankee fans posting Q is a #3 starter if added. But also remember, from a GM standpoint, because he is not a big name or flashy, he will win games but probably not give the box office an added boost. So Q's value is results in the win column but probably not at the box office which may affect the return he brings back. Sale was used immediately by Boston as a big advertising tool. If somebody takes Verlander, he will also sell tickets for a while. A GM primarily wants to get to the World Series but if he sells tickets /merchandise , that is a bonus. Does that stuff really make enough of a difference though that a team would give a lesser offer for Quintana? Or on the other hand, if I were a GM I certainly wouldn't give up an extra valuable prospect just so I can potentially sell more merchandise.

That means if he stayed until the deadline he'd have three more starts. 7/16 vs. Seattle 7/23 vs. KC 7/28 vs. Cleveland

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:43 PM) I hear what yer sayin'....but I don't want to "settle" for an underwhelming return. Quintana has ridiculous value...and if he's at peak value...you don't settle. Of course that's just my 2¢... But if you hang on to him he's not going to keep his peak value. It will only go down, and then you'll have to settle for even less or waste pretty much his entire contract/value by keeping him.

The Barons' rotation has been a pleasant surprise this year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 07:58 PM) Excellent. Welcome to the Albies train. Count me in as well.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 06:57 PM) I'm really not a McMahon fan to be honest. His AAA stats scream outlier to me and he's never really been that good otherwise. From a pure talent standpoint, I'd argue Pint is the best prospect in the deal. Plus McMahon is probably more of a 1B than a 3B anyway, so that further diminishes his value.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) Agreed and the guy on twitter reporting the Braves interest isn't exactly listing big prospects as possibilities. He does say that he thinks the Braves will end up caving on Albies. https://mobile.twitter.com/CarasikS/status/...906001681534976

Also the Dodgers have the easiest second half schedule in the MLB by far and are currently on pace for 110 wins. They could potentially challenge the 116 win record if the breaks go their way.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 04:17 PM) Hmm. A little surprised to see this since we've already played 13 more games on the road than at home. Looking at our schedule it makes sense though. Our interleague slate is the Dodgers, Cubs and Giants. The latter two are likely much better than their record thus far. In the AL we have yet to play the Astros and are finished with the A's. We still have to play at Fenway and aside from potentially the Tigers there are no "easy" wins.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs...dule-strengths/ We're projected to have the hardest schedule in the MLB in the second half. Fangraphs projects us at a .380 winning percentage the rest of the way, and that's with all of our trade assets still on the team. It's going to be ugly.

Even with major regression, Judge will still likely be a very good player. A 200 wRC+ is obviously not going to continue, but a 130-135 wRC+ is quite reasonable and everyone would still be very happy about that production.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) There is a rental from the past couple seasons who had value. The White Sox had a great offer. KW said no to moving him. He wanted to try and compete. Damn, any idea on what the offer was? Even in general terms instead of specific names?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Just throwing this out there, but wonder if Cubs could be in play with the possibility they trade one of their young stars. If they want to sell low on Russell as part of a package....yes please If they were willing to give up Russell for Quintana then I don't think we would get much beyond him, maybe a lottery ticket or two at best.

I know in recent history Hahn hasn't done much at the deadline but we also weren't rebuilding during those times. I guess you could argue we were rebuilding last year at the deadline but we really didn't have any expiring assets like we do this year. The impending free agents we did have had no value.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) I don't even think they will trade a bunch. Just anyone with an expiring deal like Nunez. Yeah I think they fully intend to compete next year so I don't see a big sell off.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) Perhaps, but unless a contender significantly ups the trade package offer I do not feel like any deal appears to be close. Hahn and Co. should have a very good idea of what his trade value is and if a trade package is the right move to make. We very well could be seeing Quintana's market heating up as teams realize the Sox are serious about moving him. Time to get offers in. He's been on the market so long at this point that any potential deal should come together very quickly if/when it happens.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:04 PM) I fear, like I have for the last few deadlines, that given Hahn's general lack of July trade activity, we won't see more than a couple deals. Obviously that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if the right offers aren't there. It would make zero sense to not take the best offers for Frazier/Swarzak/Melky though, and I doubt there won't be any offers for them, even if Melky ends up as just an August acquisition. I'd also be shocked if Robertson is still around, there's pretty much a zero percent chance his value will get any higher. So that should be a minimum of four deals.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 04:19 PM) It's fun but meaningless. Doesn't that describe all of sports in general?

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) I used to really enjoy these from FG but it's become obvious that teams don't really value these guys the same way FG (or at least Cameron) do. And even then, it's so fluid that trying to do a "yearly" list doesn't really work. What was Aaron Judge's trade value in April? What will it be when he comes back to earth next summer? Just an example. If trade value wasn't fluid, then there'd be no point to doing yearly lists because you could just make one and call it a day. The fluidity makes the exercise more fun.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) I think the idea is if Sale was #10 or whatever he was and Moncada was somewhere near there too, then Sox shouldn't have gotten another very valuable prospect back in Kopech and a not-insignificant third piece and another lottery ticket in the same deal. The other alternative would be to crank up Sale's trade value ranking but that probably didn't seem justified though I don't remember where he was. I get that line of thinking but Cameron himself at this time last year wrote an article saying that a Moncada/Kopech+ deal for Sale made sense for both sides. He essentially predicted the exact deal around the time he ranked Moncada that high in the 2016 trade value rankings, so it's kind of odd that when that deal happened it made him think that Moncada actually had less value than he originally thought.