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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 08:09 PM) His strikeout numbers argue yes....he was 2nd in the SL to Kopech last I checked. Do his peripherals argue for more success than his rather pedestrian ERA would indicate? Haven't followed him that closely. Yes, his pedestrian ERA is pretty much due to bad BABIP luck in his first 5 starts. His 2.86 ERA in his last 7 starts is much more in line with his peripherals.

Managers being insistent on only using their closers in these highly specific, arbitrary situations is something that I hope goes away eventually. Use your best relievers in the highest leverage spots, wherever they may be, save situation or not. I'd much rather use my closer to get out of a bases-loaded jam in the 7th against the heart of the order than to protect a 3-run lead in the 9th against the bottom of the order. This is the one area where it still feels like teams are operating in the dark ages.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 2, 2017 -> 03:11 PM) They cost him a year of service time and earnings in his prime years for no reason other than they becasue they could Every other team would have the done the same thing if they had Bryant though. He will stay if the Cubs pay him the most, everything else is secondary.

I always thought Russell was a bit overrated, but that's just because he was getting the same amount of hype as guys like Seager/Lindor/Correa, and I think it's clear he's not on that level. I don't think his bat will ever be that great, but he's still a very good player, a consistent 3-4 WAR shortstop.

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 30, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) I'm sure getting him out really would send the message the pitcher wanted to convey to him. Ooooo, I got you to ground to the second baseman, i showed you! I don't agree with what he did as far as the retaliation in this case. however, i don't have a problem with it as long as he doesn't throw a true beanball at his head. If they want to throw at the hitter, it's fine as long as it's below the shoulders. Would you be OK with a batter charging the mound and hitting the pitcher with his bat in retaliation to the pitcher celebrating a strike out? Or just getting a punch in?

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ May 28, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) What does Holland get back? Using our own system as a reference point I think the best we can hope for is a Stephens/Call/Fisher type prospect.

QUOTE (Chris Sale @ May 29, 2017 -> 04:11 PM) Garcia would be the Sox rep to the ASG... there could be real consideration for Swarzak/Kahnle as well. Abreu seems like more of a long-shot to me. Speaking of Kahnle, that kid's changeup is in the 90's and just casually picked up a couple more strikeouts. One more inning. All the great 1B are in the NL, in the AL the only 1B having a comparable year to Abreu is Logan Morrison and Justin Smoak. Abreu should be in as of right now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) I just want to take credit for NOT jinxing Giolito's no-hitter by bringing it up prematurely, lol... (Although it was amusing that some Q fans argued recently they'd rather have him strike out 8-10 with ER's than put up numbers similar to Giolito's in terms of BB's/K's). This feels like a shot at me but I stand by what I said. For Giolito right now I'll definitely take this even with just the 3K but for someone in Quintana's situation I think a 4.00 ERA/3.00 FIP is much preferable to a 3.00 ERA/4.00 FIP for trade value, GMs are going to value the former much more highly IMO (provided there's no evidence that the pitcher is just getting hit really hard).

He currently has more walks than strikeouts, I'm not crying over missing out on him yet.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Not when you consider his defensive value, premium position...it's like comparing Omar Vizquel and Ozzie Smith with McGwire, Sosa and Bonds. You need a fuller context of their peers. I'm not even 100% convinced Ivan Rodriguez and Piazza belong with the steroids accusations. Biggio started out a catcher, but that wasn't his primary position. Those were the two best of the previous generation, although Piazza was 90% offense. I Rod was the unquestioned best combination of both in my lifetime, but it depends how much of it was real/natural. WAR already accounts for the positional value and context of his peers. And given that he's one of the worst framers in the league you could make the argument that WAR is overstating his value. EDIT: You're also overstating his offensive value, even just looking at catchers. Since his rookie year Perez has been the 22nd best hitting catcher among those with enough PA to be qualified. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=17,d

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 25, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) As of today, Molina is clearly #2 with Posey first (full-time catchers). Who would be #3 of this current generation of full-time catchers over the last 5-6 years? Personally, I'm not sure Perez will hold up physically to put up the offensive numbers he'd need, but he has the best combination of offense, defense and leadership after Posey. Molina, three years ago...I would have been 90% on board with him getting in. Mauer is no longer a catcher. Victor Martinez can only partially be considered one, most will think of him as A DH primarily, like Edgar Martinez, and occasional 1B. So who would you have third? Gary SANCHEZ? Carlos Santana? Fwiw, Perez will be the only player from those Royals 2014-16 editions to merit more than a handful of HoF votes. Wade Davis might actually be second, if he can continue pitching like this another 4-5 years, but doubtful his health holds up. Perez has a career 98 wRC+ and much of his defense is nullified by his horrific pitch framing. He's one of the more overrated players in the game.

QUOTE (daggins @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:29 PM) He's had enough bad starts this year that the people who talk him down as a #3 or #4 starter have a lot more ammo. It might not be much different from a few hours ago, but its certainly much different than it was this offseason. No argument there

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:03 PM) Damn. I don't think it moves the needle much, but it's another data point. At this point might make sense to hang onto him unless you get bowled over with an offer. I was following on Game Day and specifically looking at exit velocities. There were several hard hit balls but also several hits in the 75-85 mph exit velocity range. He didn't pitch well but he didn't pitch 8 ER, .583 BABIP bad. I know I'm fighting a losing battle with this but I don't think his trade value is remarkably different from what it was a few hours ago.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 24, 2017 -> 04:13 PM) This is about as bad as he's pitched over course of last two innings I'll take the L on this one but I still think people worry about ERA too much, I don't think GMs pay that much attention to it these days. In general for trade value I think a 7IP, 4ER, 9K, 0BB outing is better than a 7IP, 0ER, 2K, 3BB type of performance.

Not a great start for Q but on the bright side following on Game Day it seems like only a couple of these balls have been hit hard. I'm also not that concerned about ERA, peripherals are much more important IMO.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 24, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) Why force a trade when you don't have to? It's not about forcing a trade, I still think a team will offer enough to make it worth it.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 24, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) He won't be going anywhere, which isn't the worst thing I'll take that bet, he'll get traded by the deadline, the package just won't be overwhelming. It will still be a good package though.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 24, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) Hypothetically, if you had two pitchers with the EXACT same WAR (whatever measure, fWAR or bWAR), the exact same K/BB ratio, exact same IP, everything exactly the same except one guy has 300 wins and the other 280 sure use it to break a "tie" but that is probably the only time I would consider it. A win is important to a pitcher because you play to win the game and that starter has to look his team in the eye every night. It's not important to our evaluation of them as fans and analysts. on a side note, seems like traffic has picked up here this year. Awesome. 20 wins over a career is not that much though and there's a good chance that the first pitcher just got better run support/bullpen help or whatever. I just don't see the value. And anything that can point to pitcher A being a better pitcher given the other things being equal is probably a much better stat/thing to look at than wins anyway.

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 24, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) That's true. However, as I've stated before. i would never just look at one data point to make any decision. Just because you have one stat that backs up your view of him doesn't mean it's the only view that matters. With no GM meeting the price that Hahn was asking for, it seems that at least some GM's don't think he was worth the price. Doesn't mean they were right either. It just means there are many ways to look at the value of a player. I get what you're trying to say here but I can't think of a single stat for pitchers that I wouldn't look at first before I'd look at wins. Pretty much every other stat tells you more about the value of the pitcher than the win does.

I think Kershaw is the only active starting pitcher who makes the Hall. Sabathia is borderline but I think he just misses it. Sale would need to be elite into his mid 30s and I don't see it happening. Felix was on track but he's been very mediocre his last few seasons and unless he returns to his previous form (unlikely) I don't see that happening either. If Bumgarner can nab a Cy Young or two I guess he has a shot, but no one else is in the conversation. At least until standards change to reflect the modern era.

If 3B continues to be a complete black hole for the Red Sox then Devers will be starting there within a month or two, I doubt he's on the table.

He's also just making more contact in general, his contact rate is also up 7% over last year and 5% over his career average.

Willy crushed that.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 17, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) I don't know how Robertson and Soto fit into this group, and Shuck is a perfectly passable backup outfielder who was thrust into a role well above his ability. The White Sox paid $46 million for Robertson. Based on market price for WAR, he's been worth $26.7 million already, with 10.5 months left on his deal. He will almost certainly be worth around $50 million when it's all said and done, suggesting the Sox knew exactly Robertson's value, which is counter intuitive to your argument. Geovany Soto has been signed to minor league contracts both times. I don't even know how he was brought up. Beckham was also worth 0.3 WAR in 2015, so he earned the paltry $2 million we paid him.

I think at this point Pittsburgh is way more of a competitor than a trade partner. I'm worried about Cole being put on the market.