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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) I've done a 180 on pitch framing. I over estimated (a bad mistake) the competency of MLB umps. I've now seen more than enough evidence that framing matters and that the Sox suffered from a lack of it last year. This is a key area to improve on and seeing how we are starting from the bottom it shouldn't be too hard just to move into "mediocre". I have no idea who is out there that fits the rebuild plan but just getting someone that can raise the trade value of the pitchers by getting more strikes is a good move. Of the remaining free agent catchers Jeff Mathis is the only one who's an above-average framer.

This is why it was so impressive that he still managed to increase his strikeout rate and significantly drop his walk rate from 2015. He was working with a significantly reduced zone, especially when you factor in how much Flowers increased his zone.

The big free agent class is two years from now. Even if we shoot for 2020 instead of 2019 it could still make sense to be players in that class because any we sign will likely be here for several years.

https://twitter.com/MarkZuckerman/status/806116929975058432 @MarkZuckerman #Nats have made their offer, now waiting for #WhiteSox to take it or leave it. Didn't see this in here.

Take it with a massive grain of salt but a guy on a football message board that broke the news of the Thornburg trade 18 hours before it happened is saying he has a source that says the Red Sox are making a push for Sale with Moncada/Kopech/Basabe. http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/view...144406#21144406

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:05 AM) Yes, because that made up metric WAR means everything and is the be all, end all to all baseball conversations and who will/won't win. Is this Hawk's account?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) I don't disagree with you about Turner, I'm just saying I think Hahn and Co are holding out for Turner still. I think if the discussion was about the remaining prospects, and Giolito and Robles were agreed upon, they would have been hammering this thing out last night. The absence of rumors overnight suggests that did not happen. Not quite sure there is as big of a difference between Turner's perceived value and Benintendi's, but you certainly seem to feel as though Benintendi is a possible get while Turner is not. Is there really a huge difference between a package of Benintendi/Devers/Kopech and Turner/Giolito/Robles? I'd take the latter, but I think some here would choose the former. I think the Nationals package is better and it's not close. Giolito/Robles >>>> than Devers/Kopech.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:02 AM) You guys are all kidding yourselves if you think Turner is going to be in a package.... My guess is that Giolito and Robles are agreed upon but Hahn and Co. are trying to get as many of Lopez, Fedde, Joe Ross, Stevenson, Kieboom, Severino as possible and the Nats are balking at which 1's and how many go with the 2 headliners. All the while the Hahn is still checking his phone every 5 seconds waiting for a better offer to come in. Presumably waiting for Boston to come off of 1 of Moncada/Benentendi + Devers + 1 of Kopesch/Groome or Houston to let go of Bregman + Tucker + Musgrove/Paulino. I'd be surprised if anyone else is seriously in the mix. I agree 100%.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:09 AM) Your link is from April to be fair and his does say 40 at top of his current player page. I don't know what the discrepancy is. If I had to guess is having a "poor" even half a season a low level changed it quite a bit. Ah I didn't notice the 40 at the top of the player page. That seems outdated, there's no way his stock dropped from 60 to 40 since April.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:00 AM) Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/ http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/katoh-proje...nals-prospects/ Where are you seeing 40? It says 60+ here.

Confused about the hand-wringing here. Giolito/Robles is a great starting point and matches any other two prospect combination of the other teams. Turner is not necessary and not sure I'd want it anyway because it'd be pretty close to a 1-1 swap, I don't think any additional pieces would be that good if he were to be included (same with Bregman). Giolito/Robles is the best chance to get quality and quantity, we need both.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:31 PM) If Giolito were actually as elite of a prospect as his ranking then I highly doubt that he would be on the table in a trade. The fact that Giolito very much is on the table should be a big red flag about how the Nationals feel about him Years from now I can see us looking back on this and laughing about how "untouchable" Trea Turner is for Chris Sale. Odds are that Giolito and Robles never make an impact at the mlb level...prospects bust all the time On draft day it's true that prospects are unlikely to make an impact at the MLB level, but prospects that play their way into a top ten ranking don't have nearly the same bust rate.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) A lot of good his fWAR has done us, too! I'm saying if you're going off of their development trajectories since draft day, I suspect the order might switch. If you look beyond his ERA (not just fWAR) Rodon took a big step forward this year.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) Nats are not trading Turner, Giolito and Robles in a package for any one player. I would fire a GM for doing that Even Trout?

I'm also warming up to a Nationals package. If a Bregman/Benintendi/Swanson type player is off the table they can probably make the best offer. I'd be happy with Giolito/Robles as the headliners, and maybe more importantly it sounds like the Nationals would actually do it.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) He didn't exactly looked like KGJr out there in the very few games he's played. How many games was it? It was 4 innings

This thread seems like a good place to put this article too. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-al-sta...act-management/ Snippets on our guys: You could make a decent case that Navarro/Avila's framing cost Sale the Cy Young. But I think the biggest victim was Rodon. He not only got screwed by poor framing/umping (22.7% of his pitches in the zone were called balls), but he also got pretty unlucky on groundballs and flyballs this year. He allowed an above-average HR/FB rate in 2016 even though his average exit velocity on flyballs (87.4 MPH) was the second lowest in the AL to Sabathia and only Hendricks and Carlos Martinez were lower in the NL. If it weren't for Navarro and some bad luck on homeruns, I really think we'd be talking about how much of a step forward Rodon took this year. He increased his strikeout rate, considerably dropped his walk rate (both of which are even more impressive considering the much smaller strike zone he was dealing with compared to 2015), and showed a Quintana-like ability to throttle contact in the air, which is especially helpful in our home park.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 09:05 AM) What you don't realize is you just made a convincing case that he was worse than I thought. You've now also given me reason to think that a slight dropoff in those other innings could leave him dropping from acceptable to terrible. I agree with you that you can't just throw out 4 blowups, but this line of thinking is just nonsense.

I honestly might be OK with just those three.

Give Bauer one more inning and then pull him at the first sign of trouble.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 29, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) I can't help it that sox fans are shook by da cubs. if this were the dodgers and i say the exact same thing, nobody would say a word. the cubs are in sox fans heads on this board (not OGs like quinarvy, kyyle or jason). but the rest of yall? pathetic. So your argument is that if the Dodgers were down 3-1 to the Indians and you still guaranteed them to come back that no one would call you out on it? Ok buddy.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 29, 2016 -> 11:15 PM) And let me be clear, I'm not saying the Cubs can't come back, but anyone guaranteeing they will the World Series despite being down 3-1 is either a f***ing troll or a f***ing idiot. I know posts like that are his style but it honestly feels like just a poor trolling attempt.

According to MLB Network 9 balls were called strikes for the Cubs and 8 strikes were called balls for the Indians. Someone should be fired over that bulls***.

He's safe but it's close, they might not overturn it.

Russell just got underneath that one.