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Are the 2023 White Sox the worst Sox team you've ever seen?
Highland replied to joejoesox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
The 1989 team went through a stretch when they were outscored 63-14. But that team won eight in a row right after the ASB. And manager Jeff Torborg praised them for their effort and attitude. I remember the 1970 team vividly. Terrible but they could at least score some runs from time to time. I don't even watch this team anymore. It's like the cop says: "nothing to see here." -
They have hit rock bottom or close to it, but I doubt they realize it. It is called being extremely stubborn and in deep denial. The FO staked its reputation on the rebuild and on not doing a whole lot during the last offseason. We are seeing the results. It is difficult to make changes now. but they should do something. Right now, there is no reason to be optimistic about the short and long term future of this team. I don't know how anyone in this organization would want to go to work on any day.
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Sorry got my history wrong, but I don't follow the Hawks anymore. Stopped a long time ago because of Wirtz. Of course, they won't can Grifol in April. I don't expect anything much to happen. But I was trying to make a point. Sometimes an organization can't wait for disaster to happen. If they sit on their hands too long, they are in denial. About many things. And that won't just mean bad things for this season.
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A few years back Denis Savard was the coach of the Black Hawks. Two games into the season the Hawks FO saw he was a disaster and fired him. They didn't wait for the season to go down the drain. Change for the Sox needs to happen now. But that would mean people would have to admit they made mistakes. They also would have to show they care some. Waiting for some winning streak doesn't cut it. But doing something truly decisive doesn't appear to be on the horizon. So, the organization has little if any credibility.
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I think you are right about 2005. I recall wondering how everything went so right. I thought it would be one of at least several more championships, but obviously I was misguided in that assumption.
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I agree that the Sox have been trying to win, but sometimes it seems like they are not. This past offseason they did little. Then, when they hire managers, they either look for a crony or someone with no experience. It is hard to be optimistic when we see these patterns. It is truly hard to be optimistic when they start the season this way. The long-term future doesn't look so hot, either. I have some hope but not many expectations.
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So many of us has recognized that Rick Hahn should be fired but won't be. But if there was a real time to fire him, it is right now. The FO is kidding themselves if they think this team is going to turn things around. What they need to do is hire a good baseball man outside of the organization to shake things up. It could help some this year and would send a message to the fan base that someone can see something dramatic has to be done. Hoping for the best will not address one problem this team has. We fans can only hope things at least gets a little better. We can't do anything about FO feelings of denial.
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No more tank jobs. This front office wouldn't do it anyway, because they would have to admit they have failed. There has to be a better way than losing on purpose.
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This team is going to lose 90 plus games...
Highland replied to LittleHurtCG's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I agree. It's no fun to cheer against the Cubs since they won in 2016. I will never like their stupid traditions, but since the Sox have so many problems, I honestly don't care about them. I don't know what their record is, and I have no idea about the makeup of their team. And I refuse to get all worked up when the two teams play each other. I only look and at the White Sox and wonder. -
This team is going to lose 90 plus games...
Highland replied to LittleHurtCG's topic in Pale Hose Talk
In reality, fans have no real power. The Sox have seen dropping attendance, and that hasn't changed anything. Losing hasn't changed anything. There is a billboard calling for the sale of team. Fan brought in banners saying the same thing. The FO knows how pissed some fans are. They've seen the team underperforming. And yet almost nothing changes. Instead, we will get another round of fan scapegoating from the FO and the media. It is frustrating. We Just don't have any leverage. -
This team is going to lose 90 plus games...
Highland replied to LittleHurtCG's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Scapegoating the fans has been happening since the start. Insulting the fanbase and expecting great attendance doesn't make much sense. It is just one more thing about this organization that got old a long time ago. -
4-16 GT: Orioles at Sox (1:10pm) - Delayed til 3:30
Highland replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2023 Season in Review
I am disappointed in Vaughn. He was touted as a being a great hitter, but he doesn't seem to be progressing. It's still early, but no home runs at this point, and it's beginning to look like he can't even hit 20. Hopefully, he'll improve but who knows at this point how good he really is. -
Walks and pitching into deep counts also drives up pitch counts. Starters need to least go six innings or the bullpen will have to take on too big of a load. And this bullpen isn't that good. In reality, for the past week the starting pitching has been good. Offense still needs to get in runners from third with less than two outs.
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4/15 GT - Orioles at Sox (1:10pm)
Highland replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Except for all the walks, they played a good game today. -
The Bulls - Just another Chicago sports franchise that Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't care about.
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This team is going to lose 90 plus games...
Highland replied to LittleHurtCG's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I don't think that the Sox will lose 90 or more, but the injuries and the lack of defensive execution is getting old. There is just something about this team that doesn't fit. While I don't see them losing 90, I also don't see them winning 90. -
Someone should not have to die to cause change. I don't even want to entertain morbid speculation.
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4/12 - Sox @ Twins: Let’s Win the Series
Highland replied to ChiSox59's topic in 2023 Season in Review
At the very least, I would like to see Sheets never play right field again. It will only embarrass him and the team. He has shown time and again he can't play the position. This is one problem the Sox have had. DH types with no positions. Nothing new. -
That was a dominating ninth inning performance. Never thought the Twins had a chance.
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I was at the 1971 opener. Still one of the most exciting games I've ever attended.
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GT Easter Sunday: SOX @ PIT, 12:35 pm, NBCSC
Highland replied to CentralChamps21's topic in 2023 Season in Review
The season is not even two weeks old, and players need a rest? -
What I do miss about the last three years of the Ozzie era…
Highland replied to Greg Hibbard's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I miss nothing about Ozzie's last three years, and I am glad another era is not starting. -
What should happen should have happened over 10 years ago. A good baseball man outside the organization should have been hired to evaluate things and make some substantial changes. Instead, we got Hahn and Robin Ventura. Then Tony LaRussa. It's hard to have any faith when things just never change even when they are crying out for change. But no one knows more about baseball than Jerry Reinsdorf. This gets so boring because it has been going on for so long. And it will continue to go on.
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We can only hope that the team isn't half as bad as it shown during the past few days. But it's hard to feel good about this pitching staff. It certainly doesn't look like a staff of a division winner or even a .500 team. It's pretty bad when you have to look to Clevinger to turn things around.
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Yes, I already know ownership doesn't give a crap. All I am saying is this should happen. Problems need to be addressed, and if they are not, you will really see fan apathy. True, none of this is new. That is the problem. None of this is new.