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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:44 AM) When you are an employee of incompetent management only management paints you as childish. It takes a man to rock the boat. He probably could have chosen his battles better but being frustrated makes you crazy . still does not excuse his behavior regarding the LaRoche issue as well as cutting up the uniforms. He's not a child.

So here's a legitimate question. Are any of our minor league coaches competent enough to produce MLB quality players given what we got for the Sale trade?

It's still only November so let's just chill and see what the brains do in the off season. IMHO, the Sox need to at least add hitting above all else. How many games have they lost over the past few years because they suck on offense. Just ask Q. Now, if the Sox don't make a splash this winter, then they should at least hire cheerleaders. That's the only way fans will come out because I will not spend my hard earned money on another crappy team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) Which is exactly why getting 3 or more starting players out of a Sale deal is so vital. If we trade Sale, I agree with you the Sox need at least 3 solid players. If we get less it may leave too many holes. The offense is just plain bad. If the past is any indication of the future, I don't trust scouts or coaches to develop the younger players. How has that worked out in the past?

Are owners allowed to be traded? If so, I'd trade JR for more beer vendors.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) it worked out about as well as the first couple variations of the Adam joke still funny though

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/2016...redictions.html 29. Jason Castro – White Sox. Two years, $15MM. Castro, a 29-year-old catcher, hasn’t hit much for the Astros since his 2013 All-Star season. As a left-handed batter, Castro has demonstrated particular issues against southpaws. Still, the former first-rounder is one of the game’s better pitch framers and should still serve as a starting catcher somewhere. A three-year deal is possible. The Astros will look to retain him, otherwise the Nationals, White Sox, Braves, Orioles, Angels, Rockies, Rays, and Twins could be interested. 33. Carlos Beltran – White Sox. One year, $14MM. Beltran, 40 in April, raked for 99 games with the Yankees this year but dropped off a bit after a deadline deal to the Rangers. Though he played over 500 innings in right field, Beltran is likely limited to an American League team. The veteran switch-hitter is putting the finishing touches on an illustrious career, and ranks fourth among active players with 421 career home runs. The Rangers could bring him back, or the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Indians, Astros, Royals, Orioles, or White Sox could have interest. A two-year deal is possible, if Beltran wants to commit to it. 39. Boone Logan – White Sox. Two years, $12MM. Logan, 32, signed a three-year, $16.5MM deal with the Rockies after the 2013 season. His first two seasons went poorly, but the lefty finally found success this year. Part of that was a low BABIP, and Logan does have issues with right-handed batters. Still, decent lefty relievers are often at a premium in free agency. The White Sox, Cubs, Blue Jays, Brewers, and Mariners are a few potential options. Carlos Beltran? Let's go for him, rename him with Adam as his 1st name and see what happens with another aging veteran named Adam. Oh Wait, we did that twice already. How did that work out?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 27, 2016 -> 12:04 PM) If you don't care what anyone says, it seems odd that you would share your thoughts with others and then respond to what they say. It's not that odd. I don't care what you think either. My point is and always be anyone who thinks this is a 2 team baseball town also thinks Hillary is not a crook.

Guys, I really do not care what anyone says. This town has been a Cubs town for many years. Who really cares going back to the 50s , 60, or even 70's. It's now a Cubs town. When you go into a store, what team's stuff is on full display? Is it the Sox? Hell, no. They may get 1 rack. Go into Dicks and they have racks of Cubs stuff. Same with any retailer. Now all those sox fans (I am one of them) who state the city is split is dillusional.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) Realistically, less than half of that 116 years is even relevant anymore. If you want to make an honest assessment of the situation, you probably narrow your search and should consider the people who are actually alive today. The actual circumstances are for the vast majority of the people who are alive today and going to games who are fans of either team, Chicago has always been a Cubs town, even if the Sox managed to outdraw them on a rare occasion in the past few decades. Lets be real. In the last 50 years, that is two plus generations of fans, the White Sox have outdrawn the Cubs 9 times. Two of those were centered around the opening of New Comiskey Park in 1991 and 1992. Even at the absolute peak of the modern Sox didn't out draw the Cubs when the won the World Series in 2005, nor did they outdraw them in 2006, the year after the World Series or 2008 when they made the playoffs. The Cubs in 2005 won 79 games and finished 4th. In 2006 they won 66 games and finished in last, and with the world record in the NL. The Sox at their absolute peak, couldn't outdraw a team that lost more games than any Cubs team had since 1980! You have to go back 24 years to 1992 for the last time the Sox outdrew the Cubs. That means you have an entire generation of people who are 30 and younger who have never seen the White Sox as the #1 team in this town. So while it looks imposing to quote the 1920's, 30's and 40's and even the 50's, as somehow important to today, it isn't. You have to be pushing the mid 60's years old to even remember a game played in the 1950's. Quoting the 1920's as relevant here is like saying that the Republicans voted for the repeal of slavery, as if it is relevant to 2016. It isn't. Chicago is a Cubs town, and pretty solidly has been since the 1950's and early 1960's. That is three generations now. My point exactly. It's lost on some.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) Obviously you care about many years ago since your entire first point was regarding the era your father grew up in and that it will always be a Cub town despite the fact that 116 years of history prove that to be absolutely untrue. You are right. I am wrong. Apparently all the retailers selling jerseys and such are also wrong. Apparently people come to Chicago to go to a Sox game.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 08:48 AM) I was up by Wrigley Field yesterday. About half the bars are gone. It is a construction zone. It will probably be really nice when it is completed. It will be really nice. Hotel, skating rink, high end shops and other stuff. Who would not want to be there even in the off season? What do the Sox have? Views of the railroad tracks?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 11:44 AM) VERY well stated. Mark And who cares about many years ago. I am talking about the last 25 years. Wrigleyville was a dump many years ago but that does not count anymore. My point is that no matter how the Sox do compared to the Cubs, they Cubs will always fill their seats because of the stuff outside and around the stadium. Sox can't compete with that.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 07:07 AM) As I get older, I've gotten more responsibilities and jobs that keep me busy. I don't have the free time that I used to have when I was younger. That said, I don't have the patience or want to put in the effort, money, and time into a perpetually losing franchise. I have more important things to use my time and resources on, than a team that's going to waste 3 hours of my night every night because they are a poorly managed organization that is - frankly - a losing team. The 2005 season was great, but they truly lucked into it. There was no future and no plan for continued success. They've been this way since I was a child when I watched them lose in the '80s. I'm not going to stop being a fan... I just expect more out of them than I used to. Until they show me that they're serious about having a plan, what's the point? That is exactly what I have been saying for awhile. It takes me at least 2 hours each way to get to a Sox game. That's 4 hours just in travel. I love baseball and I am a Sox fan but why spend money when I can watch .500 baseball on tv?

My dad, who grew up on the north side, told me the other day, when he was growing up, he did not even know Chicago had a 2nd team. It was all Cubs. No matter how the Sox do, it will always be a Cubs town. It's just that simple. Even when the Cubs were losing 100 plus games, they still put more butts into seats than the Sox could ever dream of. Most has to do with the scene outside the park which did not always exist. The Sox tried with the bar across the street from the park, but who hangs around until midnight? Unfortunately, the Sox missed a huge opportunity to create the party atmosphere in moving, but they chose to stay where they are. Now a days, people don't have a lot of extra money. Spending it on a .500 team with not much to do after the games is also part of the problem.