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    Pro Tony La Russa Hiring Poster Here

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, VAfan said:

    I can't believe all the nonsense being written about Tony LaRussa. Nearly all of it comes from people who have no concept of what it takes to be a major league manager. 

    It's entirely possible that this won't work out. But no one knows that. 

    A lot of people hated the Sox decision to extend Jose Abreu for 3 years. Where are you now, after his MVP season? 

    Tony LaRussa has a record that puts him solidly in the conversation for most accomplished manager of all time. I mean, I think you have to discount any manager from the whites-only era of baseball, before Jackie Robinson integrated the game. They might have put up some great numbers, but it was a racist game. 

    If you look only at managers after 1950, for sheer volume of wins and championships, you only have LaRussa and Sparky Anderson, each of whom won 3 WS titles with teams from both the AL and NL. But LaRussa's accomplishments are much deeper and more impressive than Anderson's. Perhaps Bruce Bochy deserves mention with 4,000+ games, but he has a career losing record and won with only the Giants and Ross Bumgardner. 

    LaRussa v. Sparky

    2,728 wins v. 2,194 wins.

    3 WS titles v. 3 WS Titles. But Anderson did it with two squads - back-to-back with the Reds and 1984 with the Tigers. LaRussa had a dominant Oakland team that won 3 pennants in a row and a WS in between. But the Cardinals WS victories were 6 years apart.  LaRussa also led the White Sox to 99 wins with the 1983 "winning ugly" squad. 

    4x manager of year v 2x manager of year

    5,093 games v. 4,028 games

    The list can go on. 

    The point is that Tony LaRussa's stature and record as a manager should have earned him some respect.  He knows vastly more about baseball and people than anyone on this blog who denigrates him. I'll bet a lot of the critics here weren't even alive when he started managing in 1979.

    I don't know how this is going to turn out. Nor does anyone else. 

    But I'm willing to see what happens. I'd certainly take LaRussa over the cheaters Hinch and Cora. Hinch got outmanaged last year by Dave Martinez, and Cora as the instigator of the cheating is beyond redemption. 

    As a white guy, LaRussa is also bilingual, which is critical for this clubhouse. He won't need a translator. 

    As for the kneeling issue, LaRussa answered that question in the press conference and Jason Benetti interview. He's changed his views. He also praised Tim Anderson for the energy and passion he brings to the game. 

    LaRussa couldn't have managed so successfully over 3 different teams, 33 years, with countless different personalities if he didn't know how to navigate a clubhouse. It would seem that these players, if they are hungry to win, ought to be looking for leadership in that regard from LaRussa rather than demanding that he make changes for them, when they haven't accomplished anything as a team. I'm not saying they have to "fall in line" or anything like that. I just think there's an opportunity for a good marriage here because they want to win, and Tony LaRussa definitely wants to win. 

    As for analytics, LaRussa just said at the press conference that "information is king."  He's a lawyer. He's always had an analytical mind, and has always sought every edge. But he's not a blind adherent to data. He also applies "observational analytics" within a given game because he's watching what's going on. 

    LaRussa doesn't have anything left to prove in baseball. But he still was itching for one more opportunity. That tells me he wanted this and will work hard to make it work.

    So, I'm not predicting this will work. It may, it may not. I think it has a good shot to succeed, but it will depend on the players, and getting better pitching. 

    But I strongly feel that LaRussa has more than earned the chance, and is not deserving of the heap of scorn being dumped on him by Sox fans.  

     

    Well said

    Tony La Russa named Manager

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Green Line said:

    Ricky has no control over the clubhouse.  He couldnt fire anyone up.  LA Russa will inspire the players.  Automatic upgrade.

    The end of season slide from first to third this year simply does not happen with TLR managing

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    Report that la russa bringing on baines as a coach. But no that will never work cause he hates black people right? Lmao at you all.

    this team needed a manager like tony who will chew them out and right the ship when they start playing like dog crap like they did down the stretch this year.

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Green Line said:

    NOPE.  26 and love it.  All of my friends do too.  There's a whole world outside of Twitter.

    Twitter is an echo chamber, primarily filled with the perpetually whiny. Message boards are also to a degree, just not as much.

    this is a fantastic hire 

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 minute ago, brett05 said:

    Such a great call to hire Tony.  I was against it until I heard Dan Evans speak about this potential move.  He was one of the first to use analytics.  He's going to be great for the team.  I am all aboard on this move.

    He doesnt do everything an algorithm says to do so therefore he hates statistics!!!

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    In general I do think people here (looking at you Jack) over estimate how people like Tim and Tony operate.  These are not wilting flowers otherwise they wouldn't be where they are in their profession.  If there are differences they will talk it out and I'd expect even if the talk didn't go well that both would carry on as professionals.

    This is the way most adults operate in the real world.  But its kind of fun seeing soxtalk jump off the rails based on random tweets

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

    No, you're just out of touch. 

    The bottom line is that black people think that being against kneeling is racist. If they think it's racist, then I think it's racist.  

    I go by their reaction. It's not a white dude's place to decide what is and isn't racist. 

    You speak for all black people?

    Tony La Russa named Manager

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    Yeah, because obviously they thrived thanks to Tony's "tough love." They didn't thrive due to their talents and skills or anything like that.

    Did i say that? Nope. Learn to read...and start watching games while youre at it.

    the point is that these players got along well enough with la russa to succeed at the highest level and win several championships, results we would kill for. We are not hiring someone to be friends with the players, something you all seem to be missing. It really makes me wonder if any of you have jobs and work with people with different views than your own

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