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QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) I wonder what Texas would need to part with Gallo? Q? I really, really do not like Gallo. Swings and misses way, way too much. I know it's just me and he's highly regarded, but I hate hitters that are boom or bust.

Isn't Turner starting Sunday? Was he wrong or right? Also that guy seems like a punk. I don't like him. Does anyone actually know him?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 14, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) You'd be wrong. He's nailed just about everything this year. I don't know. I don't have twitter but go have been to his page when I have seen him being talked about on here. He doesn't seem very professional at all. Almost as if he is trying to be an insider but isn't. I've only skimmed his page, so I'll take your word for it.

This guy doesn't seem very credible.

Serious question, what happened on his caught stealing yesterday? AJ has never one time thrown out a runner by 30 feet like he threw out Anderson yesterday. Did he slip? Horrific jump? I didn't see the replay, just saw that he was so far from second when the 2B/SS (I forget which one) caught the ball that he had the time to turn around and try and get back to first.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 10:08 AM) Yea, Robertson isn't that good, but the Cubs could use him in their shoddy bullpen. I'd trade Robertson for Schwarber hoping he can DH and platoon at first base next year. Didn't the Cubs say they're not trading Schwarber for Chapman and/or Miller? What makes you think they'd give the Sox Schwarber for Robertson??

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/carl...in-a-trade.html I think CarGo would be a great addition to the lineup. Wonder what it would take to get him here? He'd be a great addition to pretty much any lineup. Sox don't have the prospects to get him. Plenty of teams in the race that will be buyers at the deadline that can easily outbid the Sox, especially with Adams going down with an injury (thought I admittedly have no idea how severe his injury was)

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) I dont think Rodon was rushed, I think Rodon's problem so far has been the inability to develop an average 3rd pitch. Him taking the next step largely depended on his ability to develop his changeup, which hasn't gone all that great. If batters can sit on two pitches, he will continue to get hit. He's throwing more fastballs and less changeups and sliders than last year, batters know that and are sitting dead red on fastball. This, and his mechanics aren't really that good. He gets poor extension, his delivery isn't all too repeatable, and doesn't stay on top of the baseball well. All of that combined will equate to a lack of command.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) GARCIA??? I was obviously joking

I'd be shocked if Yost was looking at WAR or FIP when making his selections. Still, Eaton and Q were snubbed. Garcia too

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) Three year window http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2...liams/29738873/ So what was a three year window has rapidly became a year and a half window. We all know this team isn't doing s*** this year, so it could probably be considered a 1 year window. Others may be more optimistic, but I'm assuming they will be s*** again next year. Sooo I'm gonna go ahead and consider said window closed. This organization sucks

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 08:11 PM) Beckham wasn't lacking in confidence in the least, on the surface. (Mentally, he was always compared to Paulie and Quentin.) He just didn't have the hand speed to make up for that hitch. You never saw Beckham absolutely smash-pull a 95+ fastball to LF, maybe ever... Rookie season. Joe Nathan and the twins. Bacon CRUSHED a 95+ mph fastball to left field

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 07:24 PM) He had a hitch in his swing that got taken advantage of pretty quickly. He then tried to reinvent his hitting style and he couldnt get to where he used to be. A BRUTAL hitch and I was gonna say that in my last response. It's not too dissimilar to Lawrie's. If Lawrie could eliminate his hitch he'd make so much more contact. No idea how he's gone so far without a professional hitting coach saying, "hey man you gotta get rid of that thing."

I'm of the opinion the Beckham would have failed if he had 10 mi or league at bats or 1000. He just wasn't mentally there IMHO

What does Gordon Beckham have to do with Zack Collins...? And yes, part of my completely knee-jerk prediction that he'll accelerate quickly through the system is that they want his bat in the lineup sooner than later. They can say he will stick at catcher right now all they want, in my (baseless) opinion, I have a feeling that's not actually the case.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Did someone in the organization tell you different? No, but I'm not speaking in definitives

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) Because there is basically zero chance of his being a contributor before 2018, at the absolute least. Oh yeah? Did someone within the organization tell you that?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) People need to stop talking about Collins in any sort of present time frame. Realistically you have to hope for 2 years, and be perfectly fine with 3. Why do we NEED to stop talking about Collins in any sort of present time frame?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 10:27 AM) IMO "playoff contender" and "World Series contender" are redundant terms, they're one and the same in baseball. Just have to be good enough to get there. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) Also, expecting Collins before 2018 is extremely optimistic if we try to keep him at catcher. agree on both counts. I do think Collins will be somewhat accelerated through the system just for the sake of getting his bat in the lineup, and that he'll wind up at DH. Just a hunch with no reasoning behind it. The point still remains though

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) Mike, you should absolutely care what they spend their money on. Paying a player a ton of money that then busts can be crippling for an organization like the Sox. Want a consistently good product on the field? Don't just clamor for the stupidest deal of the offseason. Remember, you're money and tv watching allows the Sox to spend this money, I sure as hell don't want to spend it on a good but not great 34 yr old for a team that is still a few pieces away from being a WS contender. I know this isn't an exact science, but with Q, Sale, Eaton and even Abreu on EXTREMELY team friendly deals, this should allow them to overplay for a 4 win player. That's what the Cubs did with lester. With Collins (hopefully ready about a year, year and a half from now) and a stud OF in the mold of a Yo, Reddick, Encarnacion, whoever, you take care of 2 of the gaping holes that are impeding the Sox from being WS contenders. Players of that caliber don't come cheap, and they RARELY come young. The Sox don't have that player in their system right now, or the pieces to trade for one either. Signing one is their only option

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 09:13 AM) If desperate times call for desperate measures, i sure as hell hope they choose someone other than Encarnacion to spend all of that money on Okay. Cespedes, Bruce and Reddick are the other options, with Bruce having a team option this year. Might only be Reddick, and the A's are reportedly trying to extend him. Soooo it might only Cespedes and Encarnacion. If it is then the demand will outweigh the supply, driving their prices up. It doesn't matter who it is for me really. As long as it's not the same patchwork we've been seeing. I really like Austin Jackson--- as a guy who plays 4-5 times a week with maybe 2-3 starts and as a defensive replacement. It's a really sad state when Austin Jackson goes down and it's a HUGE blow to your team.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 08:32 AM) The Sox have made attempts to sign the best free agents. By many reports they were in on Upton, Cespedes and Gordon this past offseason. Had LaRoche retired earlier I wouldn't have been surprised if they upped their offers and landed one of them. They even reportedly offered Gordon more than the Royals. The prior year they signed the top closer on the market and signed one of the top OFs available. Before that they had one of the highest offers for Tanaka and also signed Abreu to at the time, the largest contract ever given to an international free agent. They are willing to spend money on the right players but if those players don't want to go to Chicago what are they supposed to do? What they are not willing to do is spend $30 million a year on a bat only player entering his mid '30s. Would I love Encarnacion on this team as a DH? Absolutely. Do I want any part of him at $30 million or even anything over $20 million? Not a snowball's chance in hell. Point taken, but if it comes down to overpaying for a Cespedes/Encarnacion type player or signing an Austin Jackson type player for peanuts and getting peanuts in production, I'm overpaying for those 2-3 good years all day. I'm not a financial whiz, and again, 150MM was the first arbitrary number that popped in my head. If a player of his caliber says "I want this and I'll sign with you", then you match that offer RIGHT NOW in my opinion. If this was a rebuilding team I'd say hell no, but it's a team that's in desperation mode and desperate times call for desperate measures. What it boils down to for me is that they have to get to the playoffs by 2019. After that everyone will be on the backend of their careers. They'll be lousy after then anyways, so who cares if they have bad money on the books? Sale/Q/Eaton/Abreu will all be on the wrong side of 30 and not as valuable as they are now. So, again, go big or go home. By then Reinsdorf will be 85ish anyways, so he shouldn't give a s*** about money.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 08:02 AM) Encarnacion has not had one 5 win season in his career and has only had three 4 win seasons out his 12. He'll be in his mid '30s at the start of that contract and will more than likely be a 3.5-4 win player the next couple years and even lower towards the end of that ridiculous contract you suggest. His value is hurt even more by the fact that he would be a DH with the Sox. There is not one single position player making $30 million this year and you suggest the Sox should pay that to Edwin Encarnacion? Not a chance in hell he gets $30 million per year. I said 4-5 win player, meaning between 4 and 5 wins. Which he's done 3 of 4 years and is likely on his way to another one this year. I was just also throwing X amount of money out there. What I'm saying is that the Sox need to cut the bull s*** half measure-scab-piece together rosters and sign the best possible free agent. If all that inhibits them from doing that is money, then f*** them. I don't care if it's Reddick, Encarnacion, or a trade for Bruce. MAKE IT HAPPEN. If not, then sell off anyone and everyone use players that other organizations have drafted and developed to be competitive in 2019-20 or so.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 07:34 AM) And just for reference, Mike Trout got 6 years/144M. Encarnacion is also wildly better than Jackson. Trout was extended while still arb eligible and wasn't eligible for free agency when he was extended. He will be 29 when his deal is up and he'll probably exceed $300MM with relative ease in his next deal, so that point you made is moot The Sox aren't winning with scabs like Austin Jackson on 1 year, low cost deals. Encarnacion at 34-36 will be a better player than Austin Jackson at 30-32. If you don't agree then I don't know what to say

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 07:07 AM) Well that contract just isn't responsible why not? Because you'd have a 4-5 win player in the "win now" window that the team has set? They haven't been able to develop their own talent, so they have to buy it. Sale doesn't count, he wasn't developed. Anderson will probably be a good player, chances are he won't be a great player. After that, bone dry. Since they can't draft and/or develop their own players they have to buy them. And for a player as good as Encarnacion, $150ish million is the going rate. So unless you're willing to live with cheaper/older/washed up options a la Austin Jackson (who is a fine player) and more mediocrity, then you are forced to sign players to longer deals knowing you may have a few bad years at the end of them. What's "irresponsible" is continued organizational half measures