SonofaRoache

I'm not joking when I say this, but we can use that to our advantage. We need to get the necessary money together to keep our best of the best. I'd sell him on being able to rub it in the Cubs face every day playing in the same city and having a chance to hit against them 6 times a year.

Gio has been garbage in every start this season. A long way from people penciling him in as a sure fire #2. He needs to go back to the minors until he gets his mojo back. If he doesn't, then we pray someone else can step up.

That's fine, but don't act like people are out of line for not wanting to look like complete shit. I was always against tanking this year. I felt being near. 500 this year was the better way to go. And there were enough FAs to get it done, via one year deals.

The Royals don't have the advantages we do. They've also played in back to back WS so they get about 5 years of a pass. This team is headed in the right direction from a management standpoint but they need to operate like they are one of the big boys.

Well that is a bad comparison. People don't trust a team that has made the playoffs 5 times in like 40 years. The organization has failed for the most part with drafting and free agent signings. And I agree with what was said earlier. The fans didn't ask to be unwatchable, so lower prices to reflect the product.

Why is everyone so mad at people being upset? People need to vent to get through this brutal season, so le them. Everyone knows deep down inside this was the only way to go, but frustration cannot be avoided for humans.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 18, 2018 -> 08:32 PM) But man would he have loved it here if he got to experience the culture for a season!!! Let's be real. If they brought MM in they wouldn't have thrown that sh!t show of a pitching staff together. They would have tried to at least win 75 to 80 games. I think they are underestimating the ability to use the rebuild as an excuse. Free agents want to see signs of potential winning and fans will tune out until the rebuild is complete. The right move for the Sox to make was to be near average to keep the hype rolling. Getting the number 5 pick in draft is nice but not necessary when you are trying to lure big names next offseason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 08:40 PM) Like who? Garcia (trade value or extension), Davidson as DH, Anderson as future SS for 8 years, (not looking too bad, but inconsistent) Moncada as generational talent (probably ends up good, just not great)

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 08:35 PM) The tank is still in full effect This isn't a tank job. Most of these guys just flat out don't belong, and we hoped they would.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 07:17 AM) Rebuilds take a year, right? We should win 100 this year I will sit back and watch how the narrative changes now. Previously we were saying we'd compete for a playoff spot next year and a WS in 2020. If our team continues to progress slowly and play poorly, with the exception of a few pitchers, then those years need to be pushed back.

Ricky is here until the real manager comes to win a WS, like what happened with the Cubs.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 08:51 PM) His own fault for not hustling and being ready. Rule number one in the outfield, get the ball in as quickly as possible Noodle arm is better than not getting the ball in. Now Engel redem yourself with a single.

Lol at that throw. Watch Engel lead off with a hit.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 01:04 PM) You said nobody wants to see the pitcher bat and I just don't think that's true. I think fans of NL teams like their rules. I think they like that there is a differences between the leagues. I'm not saying that they are right or wrong, but just because you don't want something doesn't mean nobody wants it. That was my point. They like the rules and tradition of it, not the pitcher actually hitting. I'm not speaking from a fan perspective myself but what is best for baseball. If pitchers aren't going to put in the work to hit then why bother?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 06:53 AM) How is Clarkin talent wise ahead of Dunning? I really don’t get where these insanely pro assentments of Clarkin are coming from. He never dominated High A like Dunning did for long stretches last year. The stuff is most definitely worse and the command is at best the same. I get Clarkin is left-handed and a former first round pick, but I’ll take Dane’s talents over his any day of the week and it’s not even close IMO. Clarkin was a projected front line starter during his early evaluation period. He lost a lot of that hype and rightfully so, but that's why I said we'd need a little luck. If he is healthy and his arm is slinging, he can be lethal and is arguably better than D. The debate here is a good one to have, you can never have too much quality pitching in the system.

How many teams are playing in good weather? I'd figure only a few have had ideal weather so far. We need to start winning some games, now would be a good start.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 12:46 PM) Good to know you're okay with your 2nd baseman playing good defense while getting on base at a .380 clip and hitting a "ton of homers." Without a doubt, very nice ceiling. But that is my opinion and hope, as there is no guarantee he may get to that level.

QUOTE (onedude @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 01:00 PM) This will be his 4th year in America playing baseball. I think he knows what it's about. He's in a funk and struggling through the early season in cold weather? This is all a necessary part of experience in MLB. The kid had a really good spring. In 80° weather. He never consistently played over a full season. It was a few weeks then back down, most of the season down and the last month and a half up, and now a few weeks up again, Once he plays consistently over a season he will be more consistent. When he signed his deal a car dealership had to tell him to save his money and not blow it on cars. He still has a little maturing to do also.

HeGoan isn't struggling because it's cold. He's struggling because he has a steep learning curve for this country and the game of baseball here. He is young and will learn. I don't see him as a generational talent, but he can settle in hitting .275 with an OBP of 380. He will hit a ton of homers and doubles when he makes better contact. His defense has been surprisingly good though, which will add to his value.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 11:57 AM) I live in St. Louis and every Cardinal fan I have ever heard talk about it, wants nothing to do with a DH in the NL. Because of the holy tradition and myth of ultimate strategy. How many of them really want to see the pitcher strike out? Or how about letting a team off the hook becausevtwo are on with two out and they walk the 8 hitter to see the pitcher in the 4th inning? Until pitchers start taking batting more seriously they shouldn't be allowed to hit.

QUOTE (ChiSox1917 @ Apr 15, 2018 -> 11:38 PM) Or you could do 4 8 team divisions, or just two 16 team leagues with no divisions. A rational person would consider this but not baseball. They will want to keep rivalries and traditions strong with smaller divisions. It's also the reason they wont add the DH to the NL as strategy is important to them, even though no one cares about that or wants to see the pitcher bat.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 02:52 AM) My perception at the time was most Sox fans were hoping for a deal centered around Swanson, Benintendi, or Bregman but all 3 were supposedly untouchable. You all are so busy being upset that anyone wouldn't walk the company line you misinterpreted me. I never said either of you were wrong or that I was arguing with you. I simply said we can't simply evaluate a trade based on the team we made the deal with when it comes to having a successful trade. We need to know what other trades were out there to make sure we took the best offer. But sense we don't have that information right now, we made the absolute right move. If in a few years we learn Atlanta offered us Albies, Acuna, and Maitan for instance, and they all turn out really good, then we can adjust our thoughts.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 07:58 AM) What were the other trade packages? I sure don't recall anything better. I'd like to see some proof. I have some posts in jest, but most of my posts are legit. People are just company line walkers who refuse to look at issues with our team as they are. I am a huge Moncada fan and have told people to relax countless times, but because I also understand his Ks are a big problem, and mock people for overreacting, I am a troll. No, you and others need to relax and enjoy life. I am an athlete myself and played at a power 5 school for football. I was mocked by big ten fans of my school and could laugh at myself. If you can't do things like this you are probably too uptight.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 16, 2018 -> 07:56 AM) I sure haven't seen anything that was even in the same neighborhood, but this is the internet, so revisionist history is the norm. We as fans don't know, that's why I said history may show there were better options. I'll use my common sense and trust that Boston wasn't the only team that made an offer for Sale, but that our organization believed it was the best deal. Which I agree with. Just like we don't know what Milwaukee or the Nationals offered for Q and Sale.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 15, 2018 -> 01:53 PM) I don't want to get in a big back and forth about expansion, but 32 teams would suck. 28 is perfect 30 is ok 32 is the most watered down crap Why would any fan of a current team want more competition? You're luck if you get one championship in 30 years. I know! Let's make it 32, sand have more s***ty pitchers, and fewer stars per team! 32 teams mean you have to have the NFL division setup of 8 4 team divisions. I'm sure the players will want this badly but you are correct things would get watered down.