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Bernstein isn't a white sox fan. Never has been and never will be. He is a sarcastic wise guyl though. If I am a GM on any team I do not want to deal with Epstein because he wins every trade and will not give up his best prospects and players. That's fine but I don't want to be on the losing end of a trade with the Cubs. I still don't know how they got Addison Russell and Jake Arrieta. for dregach.

The Sox have to try to get one of the untouchable young star position players, some how, some way. E.g., Trade Sale plus Frazier and Eaton to the Nats for Trea Turner plus prospects. , or trade Sale plus Frazier and Nate Jones to Boston for Benintendi and Moncada. or trade Sale plus package to Atlanta for Dansby Swanson plus prospects. The Sox will not blow this thing up completely. They have to come out of this with hope for the future in the minors plus a more exciting young team on the field. By the way, OT, I drove by Sox park yesterday and saw that G Rate sign facing toward the Ryan. Geezus krist...what were they thinking?

QUOTE (ChiSox1917 @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 06:30 PM) Best thing the White Sox could do, is to do the complete opposite of whatever that buffoon says to do He may be a buffoon and you might be much wiser than he is, but Russo hosts a program on mlb network and , in my opinion, at the very least made some valid points which should be considered rather than brushed off. Russo warned that the Sox must consider the timeline to rebuild in terms of the potential loss of interest in the team and lower attendance because of the Cubs. Russo is arguing that the Sox should try to compete every year rather than "running and hiding" for several years only to determine in three or four years, that they are still not competitive. At that point they may have done substantial damage to the franchise, the size of its fan base, and the teams bottom line. I am not cure I agree with all that he said, but the Sox probably should proceed with caution if they are really thinking of blowing the team up and tanking for several years. That strategy might end up hurting the franchise badly.

The Sox value Abreu because of the kind or person and the kind of teammate he has been, and Abreu, on the other hand, appreciates what the the Sox have done for him and wants to remain with this organization (and he has said so on more than one occasion). Because of that, I don't see Abreu being traded unless Boston blows us away with a package so that they can anoint Abreu as the successor to Big Papi.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) I'm on the other end of the equation. Boston has 3 top 15 guys in Moncada/Benintendi/Devers. 2 more top 30-40 guys in Kopech and Groome. Tons of leftover former elite prospects as throw-ins with Swihart/Owens/Vazquez. If Boston offered me 2 of Moncada/Devers/Benintendi + Kopech or Groome as the 3 headliners, I'm taking it.....Bregman/Tucker/Reed would be close. Urias/Bellinger/De Leon as well. Devers has some of the best hit tool/power potential in the minors. I like your thinking there. I have a feeling that ANY suggested trade for Sale to any team will have to go through Dave Dombrowski who will want last dibbs on him. Dave D gets what he wants usually and he has never been shy about making a trade, even if it is unpopular. He knows that baseball, unlike other tean sports, is built around individual All-Star players, especially the extraordinary talents like Chris Sale. Sale in Fenway would be incredible and DD knows that. And yes, it would take a package with Benintendi/Moncada,/Devers for Sale and Frazier or Jones.

I would not blow this thing up. I agree with Mad Dog Chris Russo. The White Siox cannot run away and hide for a few years and think the Cubs are going away. They have to try to compete every year. It is what it is. Here > Chris Russo

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 10:45 PM) I wonder if anyone has asked Rick Renteria how many games he thinks he can win with the lineup constituted as it is, and/or what areas he'd like to improve, or if it can be improved....or can it win the division. I suspect he probably looks at Cleveland and KC and says boys, blow it up. But I'd like to know. I wonder what other teams might have interest in Frazier.

I guess I am one of those who enjoys all the speculation and even suggestions for trades. That is what makes this time of year fun for those of us talking baseball during the winter months. As to the raw speculation about Frazier going to NY, *if* trade talks between the organizations happen at some point, I would think there might be another player or players the Sox might want to package with Frazier, whether as a salary dump (Shields), or to sweeten the deal to get a better return (Nate Jones, Robertson). I don't think the Sox need to start out deciding whether or not Sale will be traded even though that is where all the speculation is centered.

At least one article claims the Yankees may be interested in Frazier.Yanks reportedly interested in Frazier They really want to lose Headley and also may want Frazier's power at DH, so this might make sense for the Yanks. I never considered them as a trading partner so I am not sure what they might agree to send back to the Sox for the Toddfather. This could be good news for Matt Davidson and Saladino but losing Frazier would create a large hole in the White Sox power numbers and continue the annual revolving door at third base.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) That is what they've been doing for the past few seasons. It's not working man. Not when your owner is a cheap bastard. They haven't tried to force a trade. This is a very well thought out plan they're trying to execute. Yes, sir, but you know that line "The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry ." Teams now seem to be of this mindset where they covet and will never trade their top tier young players and prospects and will only trade their second tier prospects and players who have injuries or other issues. If that turns out to be the case, then what do we do ? Adding to that...there may no longer be a Draft day pay-off for tanking seasons in an era where there is a race to last so teams can game the system like the Cubs did. So we could be "mired in mediocrity" for longer than any of us anticipated with this rebuilding plan.

At least for one post here, I am going to play devil's advocate or take the position that is contrary to the rebuild/blow-it-up strategy. Reading down several trade suggestions made by posters here, a rebuild appears to provide hope. Then the following posts just shoot down the suggestions, often claiming that the suggestion is ridiculous, that other teams will never give up on players the Sox would want, or that other teams would never overpay for our players. Then there is the reality that several teams, including now the Tigers, are seeking to dump veterans for prospect and acquire other teans top prospects in return. Unfortunately, teams are hanging on to their top prospects choosing to emulate what the Cubs did - accumulate a bevy of young prospects that reach a crescendo at the same time, then salt that roster with veterans through trade or free agency. Complicating the blow-it-up plan further is the plain fact that only the worst three or four teams get the first three or four Draft slots. Too many teams are blowing it up or are bad enough now that it is no longer easy to do what Epstein did, throw a season or seasons and come out with Kris Bryant and Schwarber, So the counterpoint to a major rebuild does have some validity. That is especially the case if the Sox simply cannot find trading partners that are willing to trade guys like Benintendi, Moncada, Trea Turner, Giolito, Urias, etc....not even for an ace pitcher under a great team friendly contract or a guy who hit 40 home runs and is solid defensively. At some point you have to stop trying to force a trade, keep what you have , and try to add to it again.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) If you could even get them to trade Trea Turner - you are not getting more than that. Maybe some INTL prospects or A filler, but you are not getting more than that. I agree, and I for one, am OK with that. I would do that deal right now for a couple of reasons. Number one reason is the chance Sale will blow out his arm and be out for a year with Tommy John. Second, I think Sale may still harbor some bad feelings toward management after the LaRoach fiasco and maybe even from before that. And more that any of that, I think Turner along with Tim Anderson would be a legit core to build a roster from.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) Seager isn't getting traded. Trea Turner isn't either. Dodgers and Nationals reportedly inquired. If they want to get an All Star like Sale under a team friendly contract for 3 years, then they have to trade one of their All Star players. That is what Sale is worth. If they only offer a handful of prospects and a couple of mediocre position players, then forget it. We'll keep Sale as our Ace.

It is my own opinion that one young star position player in exchange for Chris Sale would be more valuable than several top prospects. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I would ask the Washington Nationals if they would trade Trea Turner and a pitching prospect for Sale. That is a trade that would change the team immediately as well as for several years to come.

If no team will trade for him, Robertson may not win the Closer role with the White Sox. On the one hand that may be disappointing but on the other, a 7th or 8th inning role may be where his greatest value to the team will be.

Instead of looking at rebuilding by wondering what we could get for certain players, it would be interesting to approach it by affirmatively targeting a player or prospect and then finding out out what that team might accept in return. That is how I would approach things. So, for example, if the Sox want to build a team around young players who can play defense and have speed, then look at some of the best players and see if that team might want Qiuitana or Sale, or some package of players we have. Just selling off pieces and acceptimg another teams dregach (like the Boston trade that was suggested) makes it appear that we are bargaining from a weak position. The Sox were weak, but we have some of the tp pitchers on the market and some decent veterans like Frazier, Robertson, Jones, Mellky and Eaton. I would try to go after a young player with star potential like Trea Turner. He may be untradeable but you never know until you ask.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 10:53 PM) Is this song real? Where did you find this? LOL. You can't be much of a Sox fan . or possibly a Sox fan at all,and you must not have gone to any games if you haven't heard "Let's Go White Sox." Baseball is built on tradition and that song has been sung by White Sox fans at games for decades I personally loath the Go Cubz Go song which is inappropriately done in the country genre, notwithstanding the Chicago roots of the song writer. Cubs finally got lucky in extra innings of game 7. One and done. The Ricketts purchased a World Series, but they have now transformed the erstwhile lovable losers into a corporate Disney theme park attraction. Cub themed Disneyland in Wrigleyville

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) The Cubs just drew 340,000 in 8 postseason games. At $150/head (I have no idea) that would be $50 million bucks right there. Should help to pay the $184 Million they owe Heyward. But Joe Ricketts family venture, aka, the Cubs, has hundreds of millions to throw around without any limit on their spending. Unless the league puts in a comprehensive revenue sharing agreement and an enforceable salary cap, there will only be few teams like the Cubs that can afford to compete every year.

I can't wait for the day when posters who write repeated posts about how they have had enough with the White Sox stop posting on Sox message boards, whining b 1tching, and complaining about everything from the ownership, the management , the ballpark, the corporate logo, and even the culture of White Sox fans.

I like, Sox Park aka GR Field. The park is in excellent condition and the appearance has been improved greatly over the years. Great video boards and sound system. Unimpeded sight lines. Bullpen bar, Stadium club, the multi-level bar and fan store at gate 5, 300 level, skyboxes, tailgating with ample parking right off the expressway. Convenient access for fans from the South/Southwest and West suburbs, and a small trip to or from downtown. Bridgeport has been gentrifying for several years and the South Loop has been moving South along Halsted, but most people do not head into the surrounding neighborhood after the games or need to because their cars are right there. Ricketts is doing a different thing trying to make a baseball themed amusement park centered around Wrigley and trying to keep all the fan revenue for himself. My guess is that Sox park will be there for another 20-30 years before any serious discussion about building the next one take place. Then it will probably be built across 35th Street on the original site. All the land/parking surrounding Spx Park, the convenience of the train and access right off the Ryan just about guarantee that the current site will never be abandoned.

Sox have made some unwise acquisitions and Shields is one of the worst. To make matters worse the Sox have been terribly unlucky on trades and with high Draft picks. Courtney Hwawkins? Carlos Rodon instead of Schwarber. Carson Fulmer? Instead of bemoaning that any further, it is time to look ahead..

"Am I just older? That's a definite possibility. But I guess you all can tell me." -------------------------- I'll bite. No you aren't just older at 30 years old.

I hate the Cubs, and I hate Joe Ricketss and his spoiled brat son Tom Ricketts. They could win 10 World Series in a row and I won't watch or go to a Cub game. Ricketts ruined the charm of Wrigley Field and the Wrigleyville neighborhood and is turning it into a baseball themed Disneyland. They took half of Sheffield and want to close off streets so they can have a captive audience to profit from. As far as the Sox "blowing it up" that is what the Cub fans want to see happen. It isn't a legit way to build a team any more, because there are too many bad teams vying for the top Draft choices. Therefore, there is no guarantee that a bad team will net a star like kris Bryant in the following year;'s Draft. What Epstein did involved a lot of very fortunate circumstances, some very good judgment ,a virtually unlimited budget, and a whole lot of luck. He is also not operating under a salary cap. I'm pulling for the Indians/.

Regardless of anyone's political ideology, (and about 70% -80% of white guys including myself are Republican) President Obama has done nothing but honor the White Sox since he was elected as Illinois Senator and as our President. Mocking him is pretty cheap and I would say, that makes more of a statement about those who feel they need to do it. With that out of the way, I actually met Chris Getz father at the first game he played in Chicago. He had a couple of family members there as I recall. They scooted down to the clubhouse after the game to congratulate him. It was pretty apparent that Chris had some great parents. He was a star in high school and played some outstanding baseball in College. I think those who criticize this pick are the same people here that criticize anything and everything they can. Meanwhile they have no idea what the vetting process was and why the decision was made to hire Getz. this is a position in a baseball organization, not head of NASA. And Getz has been out of the Sox organization for about 7 years. Maybe watch the Cubz tonight if you are feeling that hostile toward the White Sox. ....or Obama. Sheesh..

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 09:28 PM) They really could give a f***. Guess what? So do I. I don't care about the White Sox anymore. Go ahead and suck ass for another year. I won't watch. f*** Jerry Reinsdorf. f*** Joe Ricketts.