FT35

QUOTE (heirdog @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) What a bizarre dude The point is this...I didn't report a trade. I saw a tweet on a credible source's page, and thought to post it here where people are talking about tweets on credible source's pages. I know what I saw, I'm not posting from a mental institution. I made no claim of it's validity, I simply thought it was interesting enough to share.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) Someone would have retweeted or copy pasted that if Rosenthal said it or at least mentioned it on twitter elsewhere. Search turns up nothing. Don't know what you saw. I'm sure it was just a fabrication of my mind. I occasionally see random paragraphs of text on my computer screen for no reason at all. I read and comprehend the content that is pertaining to today's events even though they do not exist. Hey...gotta go, I am going to eat this banana that just popped out of my DVD drive. I'll make sure to post more delusional content later.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Well, that will give us something to talk about for a few more hours I trust you FT35, but it just as easily could have been him relaying false info he tried to get around. Yes! This is possible!! However, it was posted on his real page. I bet it's a crazy day for him!

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:42 AM) Have to imagine a fake one I'm only on his real page. I've had it up all morning and refreshed it...saw the tweet...panicked, then got on here to post it, went back to copy the exact tweet and it was taken down.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) The real account? Yeah. I went back to copy it to paste it here and it was gone.

Rosenthal just removed a tweet after 3 minutes that said BREAKING: White Sox Red Sox agree on Sale. Sox would receive Benintendi and Devers as a part of the deal. No Moncada. Those guys are good...but if we trade Sale and it doesn't bring back a team's #1 prospect...wow.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) What do you think scouts that are sent to watch Sale report back at this point? "Uh, ya he's still good." Scouting Report on Michael Jordan: Has good form on his jump shot tonight. Plays real good defense too (4 steals through 3 quarters of play). The more I watch this guy, those 6 titles are looking more and more legit. We should try to get him to come play on our team. I approve this acquisition.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) Still think it's unlikely that Chris Sale gets dealt. But FWIW, the Rangers, Orioles, Marlins & Nationals all had scouts at his start Thurs https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/759066541241532416 Rangers are probably scouting sale. Nationals are probably looking at bullpen pieces. No idea what the marlins and Orioles would be looking at. Anyone else find the absurdity in teams scouting Chris Sale!? Why don't they save their scouting budget and just watch Sports Center where most of his pitches usually make highlights anyway. It's like us sending a scout to watch Clayton Kershaw...to see if he has what it takes to be good some day. Ha

I've decided that I don't like the Texas package for Sale. I understand the Profar upside, but he just has the feel of a bust for some unknown reason. Already had a serious injury, not exactly tearing it up at the MLB level--Rangers aren't willing to give him a set position anywhere. Gallo is just Oakland's Khris Davis to me (.230, 25, 65) OK, but a lot of long unproductive streaks. And it doesn't sound like they would include Mazara in a deal. I just think for my "TOP" prospect value, LA, Houston and Boston have more to offer IMO.

I guess what we're seeing here is the long-term effect of working under JR, Kenny, Robin and Hahn. This tape should be studied for science...

Wouldn't it be kind of sweet to somehow tap into their SPs? Like Frazier + $ for Wheeler--who has battled injury, but has 3 more years of team control and already has his Tommy John surgery out of the way!? Then if we flip Q or Sale, we could land a young controllable 3B (Bregman?) and still have a good young SP to plug into the rotation to help fill the loss from loosing Sale or Q. They probably wouldn't do it now that Harvey is out, but Wheeler is still #6 on the depth chart. Seems the Mets are desperate for offense (sound familiar?), but have already recently traded one of their young SPs (Neise) for a quality position vet (Walker).

On a Red Sox Rumors site: "ESPN's Jim Bowden broke down a scenario in which the White Sox would ask for infielder Yoan Moncada, outfielder Andrew Benintendi, righthander Michael Kopech and catcher/outfielder Blake Swihart in a package deal for Sale."

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:02 AM) Not really. If Boston did it, they're still Boston. Right...of all the teams Boston would be the most likely to rebound...but if we take 3 of their top 5 prospects, plus a couple other pieces, they will be short on top prospects to deal for significant pieces for a couple of years--unless they don't win the WS this year or show they have a huge shot at it early next year and sell vets to rebuild. Same position competitively as us--all available resources at the MLB level--1 maybe 2 main players of interest in your system. If the MLB team struggles to win, they will have to pay. Now we all know they CAN/WILL pay...but the reason they are successful has been the fact that they have developed a nice crop of talent from their system. If we raid that system--they will feel the heat from that in one way or another.

Problem is this...the price is so high for Sale (reasonably though) that whoever trades all their farm talent for him will become the next...White Sox.

I'll never find displeasure in winning...but here we go again with a little hot streak right around the deadline. Could very well alter the course of the decisions that SHOULD be made. That being said...I hope we keep winning--regardless of what moves we make and who is on our roster.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) I didn't read this whole message, but you sort of lost me at trading Eaton and Abreu. That makes literally no sense. Eaton is the kind of guy we need more of, and we have him locked up long term and cheap. Same could have been said about Jose coming into this year, but the man is still a huge bargain and you don't trade him when his value is lowest. Totally hear you. But the argument being made here is that in order to truly rebuild, a. you need to clean house and b. you need to trade what has value. I believe Eaton and Abreu are a big part of the core obviously. But no one is a larger part of the core than Chris Sale given his performance and contract--and that's the very reason why people are saying he should be traded. You trade Sale and you get multiple MLB-ready players and a new farm system. That's what the pro-rebuilders are calling for now. Trading Duke, Cabrera, Lawrie, Jennings...those types of players...will not provide a return great enough to turn the franchise around. To give the team a different landscape, you need to bring out the land movers and turn your biggest assets into the biggest returns. That's what a rebuild is--wiping the slate clean. Eaton and Abreu, Sale and Q...those are the guys that are a part of "the core"...but no matter how good those players are, it's a core that has never achieved results on the field together.

Do we really think if we unload a bunch of players for prospects, that the prospects will flourish in our system--a system where position players go to die?! Again...I'd love a good rebuild, but I just have serious doubts that our organization would know what to do with all the talent coming back. I think it would be a shock to the way things work. Quite honestly, with our management philosophy, prospects are only good if you can trade them for MLB pieces you need. I'm not sure we have the people to develop 6 of the top 50 prospects in MiLB. Even if they are MLB ready and start all the way up with us, we have a coaching staff who has worked with a vet-heavy group of guys as long as they have been here. Still think if you infuse your minor (and major) league system with some of the top prospects in the game, you better bring in the people who are known for developing these players or they will wind up to be busts. Anyone watch the movie Miracle? The US vs the Soviets in the Miracle on Ice game? Remember when the Russian coach didn't pull his goalie for the extra attacker when they were down a goal late in the game? US Coach, Herb Brooks leaned over and told his assistant coach that the reason why is because they have never been TRAILING a game late enough to know to pull their goalie so he didn't know to do that? THAT is how I view a rebuild for our team! WE would miss so many obvious developmental opportunities simply because our organization doesn't develop young talent, we trade it.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) That's a point I haven't considered. Then again, I'm not sure the Sox, if selling, are really looking for immediate MLB impact or if they want to build for the future. And it's probably a little of both...they will listen to offers and see if someone in contention now offers a "heat of the moment" deal they can't refuse--if not, they will hold off till the off season and bring more variables into play. Either way it will take a ton to acquire him. He might be TOO valuable for some teams--if there is such a thing.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) Reports out there that the Cubs are in on Reddick. Always thought he would look good in a Sox uniform. I guess the rich just get richer... Depressing time to be a Sox fan. I don't expect the Sox to make any major moves. They will just sit on their hands like last year. Hang in there bud! We're all in this together and feel the same way. You just gotta love the game and appreciate what it takes to win. At least look at it this way...if we're sellers, the next 11 days will be exciting times to be a Sox fan to see who all we get. Out with the old, in with the new. How confident are we in our FO to make the right moves and maximize our returns!? NOT SO MUCH! But we can have fun looking up prospects, speculating and debating deals. I'm sure the MLB team will pepper a few wins for us to relish in over the next couple weeks too. Plus, watching young players come up and debut is exciting--who knows...maybe a future Hall-of-Famer debuts with us THIS year?!!? Who's with me?!?? Crickets!??

OK...let's be realistic...you can't just trade everyone. Everyone who is saying Rodon, Anderson and Fulmer are no's...everyone else is gone. You know how long it would take to work out a trade for everyone!?!? You can't just keep 3 young, unproven players and get rid of everyone else. No one does that and we aren't THAT bad. Some of these are obvious but often overlooked by posters here! Here are some things to consider in a rebuild: 1. You have to keep a vet. For the stability of an organization, you need some sort of constant--a Frank Thomas/Paul Konerko-type player that exemplifies an organization, deals with the new players and serves as an ambassador for the team if you will. What vet defines White Sox baseball and its future? Possibilities include Frazier, Sale, Q, Abreu, Eaton. Personally, my vote would be Sale because of his value/contract. 2. You can't think you're rebuilding without changing managers. A true re-build needs a new philosophy FIRST--then the search begins for baseball players who fit that philosophy. 3. Don't just replace someone to replace them. Figure out what players you currently have that fit that new philosophy and lock them up. Nothing is worse than trading Adam Eaton in a fire sale, then bringing in a new manager who says "we need an Adam Eaton-type player."

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:46 AM) They've been trying to do that, and we've seen the results. So how do you do that? Trade Eaton, Lawrie, Frazier and Robertson? It could work although you'd really have to hit on 2 OFs, one of whom is skilled at getting on base (a long term issue with this team). But, why not? If it doesn't work, complete the sell-off next year. maybe through Jones in there...he should be good for a Vogelbach. Trade our decent prospects for more veterans? That's risky, unlikely to work, and it will kill the future. OR...make 1 change and try their luck with a new manager and see if a new culture can bring out the best in our players???? Ha!

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:19 AM) Not sure why Sale in particular would want to play his prime years for a bad team. This type of thinking is a pipe dream. Quality starting pitching is causing some teams to lose their minds on the trade market. Teams would trade real, MLB ready talent to get an Ace starting pitcher like either of these guys. The White Sox are no longer in a position where they should be thinking about yearly reload. It's eroding their team, their farm system, their wallets, and their fanbase. Sale and Q are real MLB ready stars. I agree with you that teams are losing their minds...but what does that mean if we deal our 2 aces? It would cost us everything of value that we got FOR THEM to replace them when we are in a position of contention! And we better hope that those prospects we trade for GET US to a position of contention WITHOUT starting pitching! So it becomes a matter of considering Sale and Q a part of the future or not. In 3 years when all our newly acquired position player talent from our fire sale this year makes it big and they all become all-stars capable of carrying a team without starting pitching...who will pitch? How will we reacquire 2 aces (who we would have had under control STILL), when the price is as high as it is now (and sure to go higher by the time we need these guys)!? If you go the free agent route, you're rolling the dice on a Shark-type collapse, and you're likely paying $30M/year on that chance--now multiply that all by 2 and there is a lot of risk in replacing these 2 players. It may be decades before we have 2 aces under team-friendly affordable control like this again! As much as I like the idea of a rebuild--I think you rebuild around your biggest strength--even though your biggest strength carries the biggest trade value.

I'd love to keep both because I believe having both gives us the best chance to contend in the years we're supposed to be rebuilding for now. If someone wanted to overpay, I'd part with Q before Sale because Sale has become the face of the franchise. You want all his prime years to be here. ALTHOUGH...something to keep in mind, Sale has been very vocal at times with team matters. He's gone on some public rants about management decisions...makes me wonder if it's because they are like family and he knows that it won't effect their relationship or if there's really conflict between them.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 01:51 PM) If Shields can string together another 2 good starts I think there's a real possibility we could flip him for more than we gave up. Am I the only that would gauge interest on Nate Jones too? I know he's young and controlled, but I can't be the only 1 that sees his elbow going again before too long. I wouldn't just trade him for the sake of getting rid of him, but with the # of contenders looking for backend bullpen help he might be able to net us a pretty good prospect. Shields is debatable...In a full rebuild, absolutely. But if they are going to just retool and reload to contend in 2017, I might actually keep him because the market to get a SP is off the charts right now. Not saying that Shields would garner much interest, but rather we would be left with a hole that would require some deep pocket investing to fill. Boston just traded "The next Pedro Martinez" level prospect to get Pomeranz. Right now, Shields is at least serviceable and has #3 starter upside. Free agent pickins' are slim this off-season, that means the mediocre SPs are going to be overpriced. Shields is only costing us cash ($11M/year for the next 2 years--which is low for a #3 SP). We got him on a big discount and if he pitches like he has, he can be useful. We can always flip him next year if we tank again. Jones. I think you hold Jones because of his contract. They signed him at a setup man price, but have a potential closer should they decide to move Robertson. He's an injury risk, but could very well be the closer of the future for us. I think you'll see them keep both of these players for the rest of the season. Just my prediction!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) Thank you. I'm getting tired of people taking the board's variety of opinions and then calling it hypocritical. That's what I love about this board. You really get a well-rounded picture of how people feel about things--and thus how things truly are. Even the posts where someone seems off-based provide insight it their own way because it shows how people think. We disagree a lot but it's respectful and we take away another layer of understanding from it all. And you can tell that we all love this team even when we are so down on them.