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I'm still waiting for the Bulls offense to look better than it did under Thibs like we were promised. Instead they are much worse offensively than they were last year and even when Thibs was without Rose for entire seasons they weren't this bad. The offense f***ing sucks right now.

So Butler just did the same thing to Plumlee that Dellavedova did to Gibson last year.

Kobe Bryant is unbelievably awful. That is all.

So does Roy Williams not understand that you have to be able to shoot 3s in modern basketball to win a championship? I know they are without Paige but the lack of 3 pt shooting has been a killer for them the last few years and they still have no shooting.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) Well, they haven't cared in years. My guess it's a 50/50 chance they retain cubit and an 80-90% chance Groce is the coach next year. It really is sad. Thinking about that 04-05 team just makes me sad at this point because it is really hard to see Illinois having a team anywhere near that good any time soon. Things can turn around quickly in basketball if you hire the right guy but whereas when we were hiring Weber we were a top 15 program this program has now been irrelevant since Dee graduated 10 years ago.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 09:17 PM) I wouldn't be opposed to firing Groce mid season. Need to find a coach though to recruit that 17 class. The 17 class is stacked The 2017 class is actually why I would have been fine with firing Groce after last year if they could have made a good hire. Now whoever you get is going to be way behind on recruiting those kids.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) I'm totally on board with firing Groce now or at the end of the year. They have some talent on the roster. They have a decent PG locked in for next year. Let a new guy sell a vision that the program is turning around. Groce can't sell that message anymore. It'll hurt when Finkes brother passes on Illinois for another program because Illinois continues to suck. If Groce isn't fired after this year or they retain Cubit (or even worse both) I am just done with following Illinois athletics because it will be obvious they just don't care. Zook was here two years too long, Weber at least two years too long, Beckman should have been canned after year one (but at least we kept him long enough for him to complete embarrass the university) and you can make a case that Groce should have been fired after last year but there will be zero excuse if he isn't fired after this year.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 09:01 PM) Weber is a better coach than Groce, not that it matters. Probably but he also did way more damage to the Illinois basketball program than Groce did (of course starting from very different places) but whoever takes over the job next year will have as good of a roster as what Weber left for Groce whereas the roster Weber took over was infinitely better than the one he left.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 08:57 PM) We're going to win this game. It'd be impossible not too. But losing at half to Chicago State is still the worst lost in Illinois history. They're that bad. Tennessee State would be up there. Quite a few really bad losses in the last 7 or 8 years sadly.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 08:53 PM) If this holds it would be the worst loss in Illinois history. Groce should be fired tomorrow AM. This program has sucked for 9 years now. Illinois is the king of letting coaches stay too long. Weber inherited a top 15 program and we haven't had a team at that level since Dee's senior year 10 years ago. Two terrible hires in a row and now you have a program that is a complete after thought in the college basketball world. And I'd like to revisit the discussion from last year where someone posted that even in hindsight they wouldn't not hire Weber because of the 04-05 season. Given that we didn't win the title that year I would give up that season in a heartbeat (and that might be my favorite team in any sport ever) if it meant we could hire a real coach and didn't have to deal with the last 9 years of Weber/Groce. Hell, maybe a different coach wins the title with that team.

It is too bad that I think Groce's staff is also a joke and we don't have an AD right now because they need to consider just going to an interim coach at this point.

You better have a stud coach lined up already if you are going to fire Les Miles and pay him $15 mil to go away.

Jeff Fisher should be out of a job tomorrow morning. Awful football coach.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 22, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) Foregoing that FG earlier cost us the game. Broncos did the same thing though.

Oh, and I'm not a believer that you need a great PG to win but it would be nice to at least have a good one which our last 2 coaches were unable to recruit other than McCamey (Abrams isn't terrible and he'd be a massive upgrade over Tate and Lewis but he isn't particularly good either). And it really isn't that difficult to find a competent PG so I have no idea who Weber and Groce have struggled so much with this (seriously Chester Frazier is the best you can do in the first 3 years when you have Deron and Dee to sell, Michael Orris? (choosing Orris over Van Vleet), Jaylon Tate, not recruiting Ulis hard until Kentucky is on him?). This stuff just isn't the rocket science Weber and Groce make it seem like at times.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) Chatanooga just hit 5 threes to close out the game. My f***ing god This team is just horrendous on D. Some of that is injury related but they are also poorly coached and I hate Groce's defensive scheming. We should have new football and basketball coaches again next year. Maybe one of the two will be our first good coach since Self left.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 12:56 AM) This. I genuinely hate watching him play right now. His sole offensive move seems to be pump fake, jump into defender, hope the refs bail him out. So annoying.

Mirotic has been garbage this year. Stop with the constant flopping and flailing your arms and make an actual basketball move if you are capable of it please.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) They changed some foul rules two years ago and it sucked to start the season but eventually dissolved back to normalcy. Hope it does the same this year. I don't. I want them to stick to actually cleaning up freedom of movement. If it makes for a s***ty season (where Illinois isn't great anyways) but makes college basketball a better product in the long run I'm all for it. The games right now all are brutal to watch though.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) . Why why why on earth did the ncaa this this was a good idea? Watching Minnesota vs Temple live now and Minnesota hit the bonus with 14 minutes left in the first half. They made so many awesome rules this year to improve the game greatly. But then inexplicably decided to give terrible refs way more power by saying they have to call every touch foul. The game is unwatchable right now. Why would they think this is a good idea? I'm ok if the refs actually stick with it and call the game like this all year and make the teams adjust. In the past they have tried to clean up the hand checking and grabbing for the first month of the season and then they revert back to calling the game really loosely later in the year. I can live with a year of bad basketball if it makes the players and coaches actually adjust long term.

What a brutal way to lose. Impossible to get two better looks to win it than Hill's layup and Finke's put back dunk attempt.

Jeff Fisher should be fired tomorrow. Awful football coach at this point.

It is remarkable how poorly coached the Rams are.

The Bears coaching staff is destroying the Rams' coaching staff today. The game has really passed Fisher by. He sucks and trying to involve Welker as much as they are today is just dumb.

Stanford eliminated from playoff contention.