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Some of those criticisms are valid and are separate from people acting as if not making the playoffs in 2019 is some additional blemish against Hahn and the organization.

No. Hawk being GM for one year in the 80’s is irrelevant.

I just don’t see the point in complaining about a playoff drought increasing during the 3rd year of a rebuild you support. When they began the rebuild, I accepted the fact that they wouldn’t be in the playoffs in 2017-18 and probably 2019. It seems unfair to me to say “I support the decision to enter a rebuild, but I reserve the right to b**** about how long it’s taking” If you had a car that wasn’t running correctly for 8 months and you finally took it to a mechanic who told you repairs would take 4 weeks, would you get progressively angrier at the mechanic each of the four weeks? And justify it by bringing up instances other mechanics disappointed you in 1985 and 1998?

Once the rebuild started, I think you need to judge the progress of the rebuild. The playoff drought is temporarily irrelevant. They were never making the playoffs the last three years. Even more irrelevant is the white flag trade or Hawk’s tenure as GM which happened before most players on the team were born.

Record-wise? They’d definitely would have won more games at the MLB level. Not sure what you’re getting at.

This is Coop's thing (and has been forever) and it gets tiresome. He even acts like Garfein is too negative when he goes on White Sox Talk Podcast and Garfein kisses his ass for 45 minutes. Here's where he has a point- Sox Twitter has taken a super negative and petty turn this year and its gotten just as tiresome. The Machado thing broke the fanbase. The team is in the middle of a rebuild. I keep reading people say "The team has had losing seasons X years in a row" or "Rick Hahn's record is X" as if that offers some insight. The team essentially tried to lose the past few years. In two weeks, that will finally end. The Sox record in 2017-2019 is largely irrelevant and Rick Hahn's winning percentage doesn't tell much of a story by itself. The perfect example of useless negativity- Josh Nelson keeps tweeting every time Kyle Lewis does something positive (with the implication that the Sox should have drafted him). I guess I understand why bloggers/podcasters do it. It riles people up and he gets clicks and downloads. If Zack Collins and the Sox fail, he gets to run around and say "I told you so." If they end up being great, no one will care to call him out. If I was trying to make money off of covering the team and I had no access, not many original thoughts, and not much of a personality, I'd probably take the same approach.

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SoxMachine guys are the worst. I can't figure out if they really believe what they tweet or its a strategy for increasing their visibility.

Would it be easier to sign/trade for a CFer and play Robert in RF?

Nope. The YouTube hitting instructor who no other team thought to hire was phenomenal. He got fired because the White Sox are evil and stupid.

What are you talking about? I never used an "absolute." I said that explanation makes no sense. Is it possible? Sure. I think other run of the mill explanations are more likely. How am I distracting? Because I brought up the fact that a random dude no one knows anything about (and who has had no other MLB teams hire him) lost his job and that motivated posters to wish another human being died earlier?

If they fired him because he couldn't work with others and had poor communications skills that led to clashes, I don't think that's evidence of them being backwards. A roving hitting instructor who has never been employed by a major league team and who no one really knows much about is (maybe) let go and the reaction of the posters here (who have no idea about his effectiveness or any details) is to imply Jerry Reinsdorf needs to die and to assume the guy (who previously never had a MLB job) was fired because he was too smart? Too good?

So in your scenario - they hire a guy with an analytical background specifically because he is an analytical background. He is a model employee. He's doing everything they ask of him. He's getting results. He gets along with players. He gets along with other coaches and staff. Then one day Jerry/Kenny/Hahn wakes up and decides they want to fire him because he still possesses the quality that was the main reason they hired him? I'd put my money on him being fired (if he got fired) for the reason most people get fired. They either underperform, they pissed someone off, they always showed up late, they showed up drunk, they slept with someone's wife, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

The idea that the Sox hired him because of his analytical background and then changed their minds because they realized he was too progressive for their caveman ways doesn’t make any sense. There’s a million reasons why he might have been fired/quit.

Lol @ the idea of you being happy about something positive.

I don’t think I heard it from SoxTalk.... Aside from being Cuban, they are polar opposites. I could see it.

Yeah... I tried to find it but I couldn’t.

I don’t know where I heard this but I always thought Abreu hated Puig. I doubt they sign him if that’s true.

Why would the stat even take positions into account if it weren't meant to compare players of different positions? If you are only comparing 2Bs to 2Bs, there wouldn't be a need to adjust based on positional difficulty.

Lol.... this is a total feel good fluff piece and people are up in arms.

FarWestChicago banned me for some argument I had with him around 2005/2006. I wish I could remember why but I do know that it was something very stupid. Somehow I was able to message Daver (?) and he reinstated me. I stopped reading the boards about a year ago. It dwindled to like 10 people repeating themselves over and over.

What does stealing bandwith mean?

I read "Mieses bats and throws left-handed and has the look of a prototypical right fielder."and thought, it said "Misses bats and throws left-handed and has the look of a prototypical right fielder" and my reaction was "Oh, a two way player!"

Clicked on the last few pages of this thread and i thought I must have an old game thread open. I’m confused why it’s so negative. They scored 10 runs and Lopez looked decent.

The Sosa/Bell trade happened when Rick Hahn was using a fake ID in Ann Arbor. Sosa was like 125 pounds. He played essentially his entire career, retired, became eligible for the HOF in that time period. Half the current players on the 25 man roster weren't even born. But yeah, you are correct. The Cubs and Sox have technically made trades with each other in the past. You've persuaded me. I think the Sox will sign Cole to the largest contract in the history of the MLB because he did it 20+ years ago with Albert Belle. No one can technically say Sox have never spent a ton of $ before. Its not unprecedented.