FloydBannister1983

That wasn't the measure I was using. If you want to use it go right ahead. I wasn't considering an MVP no one saw but if you want to then be my guest. If you do so then you also have to add in another Cubs playoff appearance bringing it up to 6-2 rather than 5-1. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.

We know they are not watching the White Sox. If their parents are watching them the kids probably are as well. I don't know how you make them future fans when for ten years all they know is Cubs success and Sox suckage, haven't watched the White Sox, with no future changes expected.

“Last ten full seasons”

Giolito? (Should have read further first.)

Does this improve going forward as a generation of kids grow up with the North side team in the playoffs five times in the last ten full seasons while the Sox have one forgettable postseason appearance in the last ten completely seasons and have lost 100 games more often than they have been above .500? Since 2015 what kid in his right mind would watch this team when they can watch the other team? I don’t think they ever win these people back.

This reminds me of when fat girls believe they are beautiful.

Wait, what?

The book is open on his being a good manager.

The book is certainly still open on that...

They finished 29th overall, 24th post All Star Break. Still a failure no matter how you break it up, unless you remove all of August and a couple weeks of September.

It should be noted that it’s not just your opinion that they are the worst organization. There have been league wide surveys and players back up this assessment.

At the time, 2019 or so, they had some quality hitters. Couldn’t really stay healthy but maybe there is a world where they take their health more seriously in a serious organization. But you are right about NL players. I was one of the idiots who thought Dunn would be a good compliment to the rest of the hitters the Sox had. Mea culpa. Who else has there been? Grandal? Rios was a bum but he came from Toronto. The third baseman that played for the Reds (can’t think of his name.)

Hiroshima after the bomb was in better shape than the White Sox were a year ago. There is no promising look when you’re losing at least 101 games.

The last point … I knew the last rebuild would never work because no one was fired but it (and frankly the franchise) was doomed to failure the minute they screwed around with Harper with no intention of signing him. A guy who would have been an historic franchise player, affordable by today’s standards. Once they played their games this entire franchise was exposed. (Of course you could go back further still, Navarro instead of Clemens for example.) Signing Harper could have given Hahn some massive success. Once the other hand this franchise is where stars come to die so Harper probably would have been a replacement level player had he signed with the Sox.

With the Tigers and Mets winning tonight and the Getz’s losing again they are 26th in the league since the All Star break, which is in fact better than 29th.

(Toews and Kane Hawks?)

https://champsorchumps.us/summary/mlb/2025/after-all-star-break So much for progress since the All Star break. Tied for 24th now and could easily be in 27th before the weekend is over.

Don’t forget that they didn’t interview anyone because they could not afford to waste a year. Wonder where they would be had they wasted a year.

Nah. You’re forgetting the Hawk Harrelson experiment. Turning one of the greatest catchers of all time into a left fielder and then telling him to get lost on the road. That they had a few winning seasons doesn’t absolve them of running a crappy organization that entire time.

Fixed it for you.

If you throw out August they are 16-12, well above .500. Throw out August and the current six game losing streak and they are 16-6 since the All Star break, well above .700. They're practically the Dodgers and Yankees.

I don’t think this is the guarantee of future success that you think it is. It won’t be easy to undo the organizational rot and the widespread perception of this organization just by changing ownership. They will have to revamp the entire organization, correctly. If successful, they will still have to undo the league wide view of the organization.

Not hatred. Just mathematics.

If you take away the five game losing streak at the start of September then they are playing below .400 since the All Star break.

I think we are being generous with the word “exceptional” here.