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QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) That "mess" was an enthralling historic amazing game. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I suppose. It was a yawner to me. Guys hitting home runs off bad relievers never interested me.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 04:00 PM) Jeff Torborg says "hello..." But I do see your point. You are correct. Jeff Torborg managed two partial seasons for lowly Cleveland Indians (back when they were so bad they made a movie about them) ten years before he was hired by the White Sox.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) I'll give you points for enthusiasm but winning the World Series is really, really hard. Much less the same manager winning it multiple times with the same team. It hasn't happened much. Especially for teams not named the Yankees. Bruce Bochy — San Francisco Giants: 2014, 2012 & 2010 Tony La Russa — St. Louis Cardinals: 2011 & 2006 Sparky Anderson — Cincinnati Reds: 1976 & 1975 Miller Huggins — New York Yankees: 1928, 1927 & 1923 John McGraw — New York Giants: 1922, 1921 & 1905 Joe Torre — New York Yankees: 2000, 1999, 1998 & 1996 Walter Alston — Los Angeles/Brooklyn Dodgers: 1965, 1963, 1959 & 1955-x x-Brooklyn Connie Mack — Philadelphia A's: 1930, 1929, 1913, 1911 & 1910 Casey Stengel — New York Yankees: 1958, 1956, 1953, 1952, 1951, 1950 & 1949 Joe McCarthy — New York Yankees: 1943, 1941, 1939, 1938, 1937, 1936 & 1933 Not sure if that's an all-inclusive list. Just what a quick google search gave me. Dick Williams and Tommy LaSorda did it with Oakland and the Dodgers respectively.

QUOTE (Latilleon @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) Let’s say Renteria has a running in place season where young guys develop but his managing doesn’t seem to have a bright future blossoming into a truly competitive team. But Moncada, Anderson, and Rodon look like they will be All-Stars for a long time; Kopech and Jimenez are looking like stars, and Jerry is willing to pay whatever it takes to get a tier 1 free agent like Machado. The Sox hire a name manager. If the Sox have a run like they did from 1990-2008, you think the fan base can’t grow because of the Cubs? If the Sox got a quarter of the local market, that’s a piece bigger than Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Cincinnati. Does Anderson look like he will be an All-Star for a long time? He was third to last in WAR, fourth in strikeout percentage and led all shortstops in errors. At this point nagging injuries may turn Rodon into Kerry Wood. I'm not sure I'd count on him in the future. I think it's a bit too early to declare Moncada an All-Star for a long time when he hit .231 and had a rather pedestrian .750 OPS. Let's see one season above .300 and .850 before we declare him an All-Star in perpetuity. Outside of his first year and one two-year message of defiance to the rest of the owners Reinsdorf has never been able to attract a top free agent in either of the clubs he owns in the 37 years he has owned this team. I do know it is possible for things that have never happened before to suddenly reverse course and I hope your faith will be rewarded. I think the White Sox will have a hard time growing their fan base while in competition with the Cubs. I concede it is possible that they could change the entire culture of Chicago and rebuild the entire neighborhood and make the area hopping with bars and restaurants and make it the coolest area in the city. That would certainly grow their attraction of the casual fan. One quarter of the local market is not bigger than Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Cincinnati and I think one quarter is optimistic thinking but I don't want to dampen your optimism. In terms of households tuning in on television they are at under twenty percent . If you think the White Sox can capture one quarter of the local market then I certainly hope you are correct.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) The three games at Dodgers stadium have been handed to the bullpens with 1-1, 1-1, and 1-0 scores in the 6th inning. I'm aware of that. I would take those games over a 13-12 mess any day of the year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 09:56 AM) This is in no small part due to the situation the White Sox management put themselves in - rosters that totally flopped in 2013, 2015, and 2016, and a roster that was rebuilding in 2014 and 2017, 5 straight seasons under .500 and 6 out of 7, at a time when the nearest competition was going to 3 straight postseasons and winning a title. That their ratings were bad now was the downside of their multiple "All-in" campaigns and Rick Hahn's brilliant leadership during that period. If they get somehow a crappy offer with a low yearly guarantee, they could "Star Wars" this thing and say that they'll take a lower guarantee but they would want a higher share of profits if things turned around in exchange. But I don't think that will happen, you could write the "2021 world series White Sox/Braves" script right now and believe it due to Rick Hahn's actual nonsarcastic brilliant moves last year. There are viewers coming and everyone knows that. Nobody can argue with "everyone knows that".

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Oct 30, 2017 -> 09:08 AM) If the world series turns out like this every year from a juiced ball,don't stop juicing it. These games have been so fun. I would take Jack Morris vs. John Smoltz 0-0 going into the 10th inning any day of the year over a 13-12 mess of a game.

QUOTE (Latilleon @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 06:20 AM) A low rated telecast in the third biggest market is can still be a larger audience than a high rated telecast in St. Louis, the 21st. And how have existing ratings lead to much bigger bumps for other teams? According to this article only San Diego, Florida, and Oakland had fewer households watching. https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/201...m/#5f28eb353799

QUOTE (Latilleon @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 05:45 AM) The Marlins buy-out cash has probably dried up. Ozzie shouldn’t burn bridges. He is a cartoon character. An embarrassment to humanity.

QUOTE (Latilleon @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 05:43 AM) It isn’t that the job is entry level; it’s that ownership has been cheap with managers; just like how we won’t pay big long-term contracts to players (not since Albert Belle), we haven’t broke the bank to hire a name manager. If the Sox are willing to pay, they can get whatever manager they wanted. I don't think salary is all that goes into it. They factor in casual fan interest (non-existent) and opportunity to grow the fan base (won't happen to a significant degree due to the monopoly the organization on the north side has on the casual fan). A top tier manager doesn't want to go to a place where he will be ignored by sports networks and the fan base doesn't watch them on television. I hope for the sake of White Sox fans I'm wrong but I'm afraid the White Sox are stuck perpetually with the Renteria's and Bevington's and Ventura's and Manuel's of the world. I don't see the Leyland's or LaRussa's or Girardi's of the world ever changing course and discovering that this is a good landing spot.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 07:30 PM) I think the history you are pointing to has more to do with the way the White Sox choose their managers than the potential candidates available to them. I tend to agree with Greg here...I think we could attract any number of extremely qualified candidates. I certainly hope for the sake of people that are fans of the White Sox that your faith is rewarded. It is certainly possible that the very same management group could do a complete reversal of everything they have stood for for the past 37 years. I'll continue to rely on evidence. Hopefully I can be wrong and they will hire a qualified manager someday.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Well, Francona went to Cleveland, which at the time, was not particularly considered to be a wonderful job. The fact is, there are a very limited number of these jobs open every year, and unless one is willing to be extraordinarily patient, all but a few are very desirable. I concede that anything that has never happened before can happen in the future.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) This isn't like college basketball ... a guy taking a job at Tulsa only to skip away to a Power Five conference job after two seasons. The Sox supposedly are the next great thing. Why is Chicago a stepping stone job? It's a great city and Cleveland got Francona to go there for gosh sakes. It's not like the south side job is trash with this young talent coming up. A good manager might win 2, 3, 4 titles in chicago. Chicago itself is not an entry level job but managing the White Sox is. Why? ESPN can't remember they exist. They routinely have one of the lowest television ratings in the league. Every manager they've hired in the last 40 years has had no managing experience, except for the current guy who had a cup of coffee with the organization on the north side until a top tier manager became available. They are a small market team in the third largest market in the country. This is why managing the White Sox is an entry level position, for starters. But if you want to ignore all of history then I concede that Joe Girardi or Dusty Baker or Tony LaRussa or Joe Torre or Bob Brenley or any other top tier manager could end up here. I hope for your sake you get your wish. As far as 2, 3, 4 titles goes ... They've been to the postseason 5 times in the last 50 years and have advanced one single season. I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm but I'd wait for the crown jewel of your rebuild to average his weight before you have them winning four titles.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 03:05 PM) Ok, so you think the job on the north side is opening next year? How long is he going to sit on the sidelines? As I mentioned in my previous post, all the high profile, highly desirable jobs have been recently filled or seem completely happy with their managers. I know that can change in an instant, but how bad would Maddon have to be to get fired after next year? Or Francona? Or Roberts? What is the job that he wants so badly that is a year away? Who said anything about that job opening next year? A guy like Girardi is not going to take a middle to low tier managing job. The Girardi's of the world don't take stepping stone jobs reserved for the Renteria's, Ventura's, Guillen's, Manuel's, Bevington's, and LaMont's of the world. The top tier or even second tier guys are not coming here. It would be a backward step. He will take a studio job and take his time until a desirable job becomes available. Masson won't have to be fired. He's already an old man. I doubt he signs an extension when his current deanis up.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) Where is the opportunity cost? What better job is going to open? Boston? Just hired someone. Dodgers? Can't see Roberts going anywhere. Cubs? Maddon punched his ticket. Nats? Just hired someone, and were probably too cheap to sign him. Mets? Just filled. Phillies? Just filled. Houston? Can't imagine Hinch in on the hot seat. Maybe there are others Girardi would prefer, but not necessarily the obvious ones. Who knows what matters to him. After being let go after the run he just had, maybe a little JR style loyalty is just what Girardi would be craving. Though with that said, I can't see the Sox dumping Ricky after 1 year. There's plenty of opportunity cost. Jobs will open next year and the year after. If Girardi were to stupidly take a job with the White Sox and then a desirable job opened next year the cost to him to be stuck here would be enormous. Best for him to take a studio job for a year or even two. I agree with the previous people that said he'd manage that team on the north side of Chicago. He doesn't need to take a stepping stone job at this point of his career.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Oct 29, 2017 -> 11:54 PM) Hmm. How about the fact that only 30 MLB manager positions exist in the world. Girardi currently does not hold one of them. The Sox have one. Seems like a reason to me. There's the concept of opportunity cost. For a top manager like Girardi it would be significant. For bottom of the barrel guys like Ventura or Renteria there is no opportunity cost.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 27, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) Why not? He's a baseball guy and knows Chicago is a great city for baseball and sports in general and we have one of the up and coming teams on paper. What would he have against Chicago except the front office dynamic of Kenny sort of in charge and Hahn sort of in charge? Why not? That would like Phil Jackson going to coach the Sacramento Kings or Bill Belichick going to coach the Buffalo Bills. Why would a serious manager come to an organization that can't even be remembered by ESPN? Joe Girardi is never coming to the White Sox.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Oct 13, 2017 -> 09:59 AM) Lots of irrational Cubbie hate here! Go Chicago! These guys aren't assholes, the real asshole is the National's Daniel Murphy anti-gay bible thumping loon. Glad to see he doesn't advance. Go cubs! Good to see the 70 IQ Beta Male crowd has a voice on these boards.

QUOTE (JPR @ Oct 10, 2017 -> 01:36 AM) Sale left a lot to be desired. I've never seen a guy get a standing ovation with such an uninspiring performance. We won that trade. Admittedly I'm new here but I didn't think posts got more insane than greg775's. I now see how wrong I was.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 07:21 AM) Clayton Kershaw has sucked in the postseason too, I guess nobody would want him on their team either. Randy Johnson is 2-8 with an ERA around 5 in the DS. David Price is one of the worst all time post season pitchers.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) Hahn is on the Score at 11. He'll say the draft is deep and he's happy about the winning, but there's no way they don't wish they lost a few more, or aren't pissed the Tigers tanked that bad over the last couple months. Forgive me for being confused but isn't that what nearly everyone on these boards wanted the Sox to do this year? I remember half the board even wanting the Cubs to sweep them. How is what the Tigers did any different?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 10:19 PM) The Cubs last 3 seasons have been about as good as the entire Reinsdorf tenure. I really hope Hahn is as smart as we think he is. Einstein isn't as smart as people on these boards think Hahn is.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) The fanbases that show up even when things are bad versus the ones that completely dessert a franchise makes a huge difference in the resources a franchise has. It is the reason that places like Cleveland stay bad so much longer than others. Awaiting Lipman's reply that attendance doesn't matter ...

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) Harper is White and his team wears red, no thanks. He'll come here and bat .202 with 30 homers. I've been following the boards for a while and I must say this is about the most stupid, ignorant statement I've ever seen on these boards. When did Sox fans turn into Cubs fans?