harkness99 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) I would pass on both, personally. Don't like Gallo's high K rate. Gallo... uh no Look up his minor league stats... not very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 08:38 PM) Sale to LAD for: Urias, De Leon, Seager, Holmes, Bellinger, and Pederson. Q to TEX for: Profar, Brinson, and Tate That's what I'm asking for if I'm in Hahn's seat. Too much for Sale, too little for Q IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) Regarding 2018 / 2019... If they sell Q - they sell Sale as well... Be it this offseason like you mention or not. If you keep Sale - keep Q as well. Keeping one or the other would be more of this half assed rebuilding/retooling s***. Pick a direction and go that way. I agree but this organization does half ass it. I would be intrigued with Hahn in a full rebuild and no one in his way. Just hope he doesn't make an Avi mistake. My issue with him is his FA signings have sucked minus Melky and Robertson. Duke is pitching better this season but overall hasn't been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) Gallo... uh no Look up his minor league stats... not very impressive. I said I do t like his high K rate. ~250k per 162 games - don't even have to look that up. He's also averaging about 50 HR in i that same span but I'm done with the boom or bust player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) Too much for Sale, too little for Q IMO. A Sale trade would HAVE to be too much and have to be unprecedented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) Sale to LAD for: Urias, De Leon, Seager, Holmes, Bellinger, and Pederson. Q to TEX for: Profar, Brinson, and Tate That's what I'm asking for if I'm in Hahn's seat. That's too much for Sale. I think you may get to pick one of Seager, Urias and Pederson. That's too little for Q. I try to move him to Boston for Moncada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I don't remember if it's 2018 or 2019, but one of those years supposedly has a stacked free agent class. In an ideal world, I'd like the Sox to trade everyone off now, and sign a superstar in 2-3 years when all the guys they'll acquire from these trades now and/or the draft are ready to make an impact at the big league level. If Hahn plays his cards right, this team could be very good in 2 or 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) That's too much for Sale. I think you may get to pick one of Seager, Urias and Pederson. That's too little for Q. I try to move him to Boston for Moncada. I will never agree with the thought that Sale doesn't return at least a clubs too 4 young guys... As a starting point. You little need to be raping a team in order for them to get Sale. I agree that Boston is the place to go with Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 06:44 PM) I don't remember if it's 2018 or 2019, but one of those years supposedly has a stacked free agent class. In an ideal world, I'd like the Sox to trade everyone off now, and sign a superstar in 2-3 years when all the guys they'll acquire from these trades now and/or the draft are ready to make an impact at the big league level. If Hahn plays his cards right, this team could be very good in 2 or 3 years. It's 2018. Going into this season before I drank the cool-aid, my stance had been that 2016 and likely 2017 were wash years for the Sox... That their real next shot for contending was 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 08:45 PM) I will never agree with the thought that Sale doesn't return at least a clubs too 4 young guys... As a starting point. You little need to be raping a team in order for them to get Sale. I agree that Boston is the place to go with Q. Q and Duke to Boston for Benintendi, Devers, Rodriguez, and Kopech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) I will never agree with the thought that Sale doesn't return at least a clubs too 4 young guys... As a starting point. You little need to be raping a team in order for them to get Sale. I agree that Boston is the place to go with Q. I agree about Sale. But a team is going to have to give up a lot but the Dodgers would be almost ripping up their team just for Sale. No team will do that but I think LAD is where I'd move him to so he can dominate us ever year. Plus I don't want sale in Boston with that fan base ugh lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:48 PM) Q and Duke to Boston for Benintendi, Devers, Rodriguez, and Kopech Q needs to bring back Moncada or f*** them IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) Q needs to bring back Moncada or f*** them IMO. Benintendi is just as good at a premiere position imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataipaepae Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:43 PM) That's too much for Sale. I think you may get to pick one of Seager, Urias and Pederson. That's too little for Q. I try to move him to Boston for Moncada. Well if you can get Boston, Houston, and LA into a bidding war you just might get something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 10:06 PM) Q needs to bring back Moncada or f*** them IMO. Benintendi AND one of Moncada/Betts/Bradley Jr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Now I wanna see them both traded to see what their actual value ends up being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Lets say, Sale to Rangers for... Profar Sweet Lew Brinson Luis Ortiz Ariel Jurado an A ball pitcher (the Rags have a lot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) Lets say, Sale to Rangers for... Profar Sweet Lew Brinson Luis Ortiz Ariel Jurado an A ball pitcher (the Rags have a lot) Not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Just so everyone has a clear idea of the value of Quintana, Cole Hamels and Jake Diekman were traded last year for 3 top 100 prospects (Thompson, Williams, and Alfaro), a MLB starting pitcher (Harrison), and a solid young MLB starter (Eickhoff). Since Q has become a full-time starter, he's been worth 2 more fWAR than Hamels and would have an extra years worth of control. That is the baseline for a Q trade. If you want to talk Sale, better be ready to push all your chips into the center of the table. Neither should be or will be cheap and the Sox are in no rush to get rid of either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I say the Sox should listen on Sale but probably should keep him along with Rodon, Anderson, Fulmer and deal everyone else of any value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) Just so everyone has a clear idea of the value of Quintana, Cole Hamels and Jake Diekman were traded last year for 3 top 100 prospects (Thompson, Williams, and Alfaro), a MLB starting pitcher (Harrison), and a solid young MLB starter (Eickhoff). Since Q has become a full-time starter, he's been worth 2 more fWAR than Hamels and would have an extra years worth of control. That is the baseline for a Q trade. If you want to talk Sale, better be ready to push all your chips into the center of the table. Neither should be or will be cheap and the Sox are in no rush to get rid of either. +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Hard pass on Gallo. The dude tries to homer on every swing and those kind of guys haven't panned out with us as of late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I know it's sacrilege to suggest trading Sale but the Sox should at least listen to teams this offseason and see if some team can blow them away with an offer. I think Sale would bring back more than Q and the Sox have Q under contract for one more year than Sale. There's an argument to be made that if the Sox can get a haul for Sale, they can be contending again by no later than the 2018 season. On a personal note, fireball pitchers always scare me too. Sooner or later they seem to get injured and personally Q seems like a safer bet to avoid that type of injury. If the Sox can get a combo of 5-6 mlb ready players and or high level prospects for Sale, it may solve a lot of their problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) I know it's sacrilege to suggest trading Sale but the Sox should at least listen to teams this offseason and see if some team can blow them away with an offer. I think Sale would bring back more than Q and the Sox have Q under contract for one more year than Sale. There's an argument to be made that if the Sox can get a haul for Sale, they can be contending again by no later than the 2018 season. On a personal note, fireball pitchers always scare me too. Sooner or later they seem to get injured and personally Q seems like a safer bet to avoid that type of injury. If the Sox can get a combo of 5-6 mlb ready players and or high level prospects for Sale, it may solve a lot of their problems. Firmly aboard yer ship me captain - ARRRRHHHHHG!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 08:33 PM) Just so everyone has a clear idea of the value of Quintana, Cole Hamels and Jake Diekman were traded last year for 3 top 100 prospects (Thompson, Williams, and Alfaro), a MLB starting pitcher (Harrison), and a solid young MLB starter (Eickhoff). Since Q has become a full-time starter, he's been worth 2 more fWAR than Hamels and would have an extra years worth of control. That is the baseline for a Q trade. If you want to talk Sale, better be ready to push all your chips into the center of the table. Neither should be or will be cheap and the Sox are in no rush to get rid of either. Fantastic post. That's why Sale's package would be unprecedented? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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