ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Really getting tired of making these threads. This is at least the 3rd or 4th year now.....rooting for losses to gain a better draft position. The magic draft spot is #10 or better, to have a protected pick. I believe we currently sit at #12. I'll hold off until after the trading deadline to start posting daily standings, just in case something crazy happens and we rattle off 8 straight wins and Hahn decides to add a bat for whatever reason. But the thread is now primed and ready... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Got my banana colored sling thong ready to rock as we root away for losses upon losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) I'm all aboard this 'lose for better draft position' thread and would like to add a rooting interest in 'lose to ensure we remain sellers' . A win streak could be the excuse for Hahn to hold off selling. We know the White Sox are perfect at doing this. We'll go something like 8 of 10 defeating Tigers, Cubs and Twinsp leading into the trade deadline and be around 3 gb of wildcard spot. It's just pure White Sox Edited July 22, 2016 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 It's such hit and miss there in that mid-range, though. One year, Anderson, the previous, Hawkins. Look at Corey Ray's statline, Kyle Lewis' terrible knee injury (see Jared Mitchell)....Kyle Tucker and Daz Cameron with the Astros, etc. Nothing is close to certain. Imo, we probably need to trade our way to contention with younger position prospects, pilfering the best already developed advanced bats with the proper blend of athleticism and plate discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 The Sox currently sit at #12, KC and MIL are directly ahead of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 Yep. Officially daily update time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I don't know why u guys root for losses. The draft remains a crapshoot. Rodon not looking so special of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 and I don't know why we have to explain it to you every August....root for the young guys to develop, hope everyone stays healthy and lose lose lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 No reason Tilson and Narvaez shouldn't be in the lineup almost everyday the rest of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 02:29 AM) Really getting tired of making these threads. ..the hell? I was the first to do this way back. But yes I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I'd rather win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (MEANS @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 07:43 AM) and I don't know why we have to explain it to you every August....root for the young guys to develop, hope everyone stays healthy and lose lose lose. Except the White Sox don't do a great job of identifying future stars in their first round draft picks? And before you say 'it's all a crap shoot' then why willfully lose for a low-percentage crap shoot? Since 1990, how many 1st rounders from this list not named Chris Sale turned out to be bonafide major league talent? http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/history/_/team/chw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) Except the White Sox don't do a great job of identifying future stars in their first round draft picks? And before you say 'it's all a crap shoot' then why willfully lose for a low-percentage crap shoot? Since 1990, how many 1st rounders from this list not named Chris Sale turned out to be bonafide major league talent? http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/history/_/team/chw Gordon Beckham. And besides, was Nick Hostetler running those drafts? Don't pretend nothing has changed in the draft room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) I'd rather win. Then this thread isn't the one for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:24 AM) I don't know why u guys root for losses. The draft remains a crapshoot. Rodon not looking so special of late. Please refer to 2015 or 2014's version to read these types of responses ad nauseam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:44 PM) Gordon Beckham. And besides, was Nick Hostetler running those drafts? Don't pretend nothing has changed in the draft room. I know I've said it a couple times but now that we've seen two drafts from Hostetler and seeing some of Paddy's signings come over, those two can stay for now. Buddy Bell on the other hand needs to get the hell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Gordon Beckham. And besides, was Nick Hostetler running those drafts? Don't pretend nothing has changed in the draft room. a .678 career OPS is a bonafide major league talent? huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) a .678 career OPS is a bonafide major league talent? huh. Compared to most picks, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) a .678 career OPS is a bonafide major league talent? huh. What's your definition of "bonafide"?? This is his 8th season in the major leagues. Clearly he's enough of a major leaguer to last this long. And Carlos Rodon should be added to that list as well, actually. He's been just fine so far as a 23 year old major leaguer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Ok, so, in other words, we should deliberately lose in the hopes of landing....Gordon Beckham, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Ok, so, in other words, we should deliberately lose in the hopes of landing....Gordon Beckham, right? No, s***. The chips will fall where they may, and I can guarantee the Sox aren't trying to lose. How about we deliberately try to win and make this thing interesting instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) What's your definition of "bonafide"?? This is his 8th season in the major leagues. Clearly he's enough of a major leaguer to last this long. And Carlos Rodon should be added to that list as well, actually. He's been just fine so far as a 23 year old major leaguer. And Anderson. Fulmer has also (been rushed) reached the big leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Ok, so, in other words, we should deliberately lose in the hopes of landing....Gordon Beckham, right? If that's how you choose to rationalize it in your head, then yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) And Anderson. Fulmer has also (been rushed) reached the big leagues. Too small of sample size for me to include either one of them yet. Only reason I include Rodon already is because I don't forsee him ever being sent back down again. I think he's a lock. Anderson and Fulmer still could, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) If that's how you choose to rationalize it in your head, then yes. Gordon Beckham's CAREER WAR with the Sox was 7.6 What's the average career WAR for a first round pick from the White Sox? How many games do you lose to get that pick to produce that WAR? If we make decisions based on expected value, which is an extremely rational way of looking at things, it seems like we are rooting to lose 5 games now to hit the once in a lifetime lottery for a superstar or....get those 5 wins back incrementally? It would be one thing if top draft picks made a HUGE impact on games, but unlike, say, basketball where a top draft pick can completely change your team, it seems like a once in a lifetime thing for a baseball team to get that kind of pick, and even then it's more about luck than a particular draft position. I suppose I'm saying I can't come up with a reason to lose games to improve upon a draft position that seems to have an arbitrary impact on the team as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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