ptatc Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 05:53 PM) Neither are a guarantee. What you get with Q has been established minus the chance of an injury. So Hahn better get both. This is true about them being prospects. I just dont see Quintanas value as that high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 05:54 PM) This is true about them being prospects. I just dont see Quintanas value as that high. He's as valuable as Sale. If Q can't fetch a comparable return to Sale he won't be moved. He's too valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 07:07 PM) He's as valuable as Sale. If Q can't fetch a comparable return to Sale he won't be moved. He's too valuable. Most people disagree. He doesn't have the stuff and talent of Sale so his perceived value is less. He's doing very well this year but overall for the long term Sale has more sustainable value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) Most people disagree. He doesn't have the stuff and talent of Sale so his perceived value is less. He's doing very well this year but overall for the long term Sale has more sustainable value. Sale has more value but the gap is a lot smaller than a lot of people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:19 PM) Sale has more value but the gap is a lot smaller than a lot of people think. Maybe. I was commenting on the fact that there is a difference in value of each pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) Maybe. I was commenting on the fact that there is a difference in value of each pitcher. There isn't because Q has an extra year of control. They are essentially of equal value. I am all for keeping our players if teams won't pay up. Edited July 26, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:10 PM) There isn't because Q has an extra year of control. They are essentially of equal value. Still disagree. Two very different pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:12 PM) Still disagree. Two very different pitchers. Cool then we'll keep Q and trade Sale. It really doesn't matter what you think because we don't have to trade them now. We have at least 2 years before we'd have to seriously consider trading them soon. Edited July 26, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) Cool then we'll keep Q and trade Sale. It really doesn't matter what you think because we don't have to trade them now. Ding ding ding.... Final round over. Judges score cards are and and the winner by unanimous decision is... ptatc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 04:43 AM) Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right? Or maybe he thinks Sale is better than Quintana because Sale IS better than Quintana. Q is a vey good pitcher, but let's face it, Sale is better and that's nothing to hold against Q. There aren't many pitchers better than Sale. I doubt you'd find one GM that would give the same package for Q that they would for Sale. There's a reason for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:43 AM) Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right? I don't think he ever said it was because he has more wins. It is because Sale is a more dominant pitcher whereas Q is a lot more similar to Buerhle where the numbers are really good, but in general he is not considered an ace by the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill) Edited July 26, 2016 by heirdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill) Man I love the idea of unloading Q for Alex Reyes ++ and then Sale for Julio Urias ++. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill) That's SURPLUS also -- which is pretty important to note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:18 PM) http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill) Worth noting - that actually undersells Quintana since it only counts the next 3.5 seasons and he has an extra year remaining on his deal beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/7/26/1228...e-jose-quintana This article seems to quantify Q value ($99 mill) vs. Sale value ($110 mill) Best artIdle from a prospective trade partners fanbase / media I've seen. Thanks. Here's their conclusion for those who haven't read it: In the end, I think Michael Wacha, Alex Reyes, Kolten Wong, and Harrison Bader is reasonable trade for either Chris Sale or Jose Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:43 AM) Ptact thinks Sale is better because he has more wins though. Hp could a 7-8 guy be anywhere near as good as a 14-3 guy, right? i do not. i think he is better and more valuable due to his "stuff" and talent. I do think wins are important in the overall scheme but not for individual trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Really no reason to trade either unless the right deal comes along. As long as they're healthy, they'll each still have tons of value in the offseason or a year from now. Unless a trade partner throws in some proven MLB talent, I'm not convinced anyone will be offering fair value for 3.5 years of Sale or 4.5 years of Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 05:18 AM) Or maybe he thinks Sale is better than Quintana because Sale IS better than Quintana. Q is a vey good pitcher, but let's face it, Sale is better and that's nothing to hold against Q. There aren't many pitchers better than Sale. I doubt you'd find one GM that would give the same package for Q that they would for Sale. There's a reason for that. On this we do agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) I would pass on that St.Louis deal in .000001 seconds. Edited July 26, 2016 by Hatchetman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Dang it. I hate cardinals fans but that was the most reasoned response I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) I would pass on that St.Louis deal in .000001 seconds. Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 These five for one deals where mediocre prospects are included reminds me of fantasy football where some idiot thinks appealing to take on his whole bench for the star RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) I would pass on that St.Louis deal in .000001 seconds. This organization is in desperate need of a superstar hitter not more pitching and a 2B that was so bad he went to AAA earlier this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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