bmags Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 That St. Louis deal is not the best offer for the white sox but that is the only fan blog post i've seen with legitimate recognition that it should hurt a bit to acquire a player like sale. Bader is a good OF prospect, Wong is probably a 2 WAR player on average, and Wacha is having a down year but in general a 3.5 ERA pitcher. And then the #2 prospect in baseball. That's not the deal I'd want for the sox, but it's at least closer to fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) Man I love the idea of unloading Q for Alex Reyes ++ and then Sale for Julio Urias ++. But where's the position players? That's why I like Sale to Boston IF he's dealt. If not, then Q to Boston. I will say I'm not familiar with STL farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:01 PM) i do not. i think he is better and more valuable due to his "stuff" and talent. I do think wins are important in the overall scheme but not for individual trade value. The thing that keeps Q from being a better pitcher IMO is Sale has an out pitch. The wipeout slider. Q has to use pinpoint command and control. The thing I like about Quintana however is his gutsy performances out of jams. Sale can get pissed off and rattled whereas Q seems like he can stay level headed and in charge. I'd take Sale over Quintana but it's not a huge gap. The thing I'm curious to see is Q vs Sale in playoff games. That's got my intrigue if they're traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) The thing that keeps Q from being a better pitcher IMO is Sale has an out pitch. The wipeout slider. Q has to use pinpoint command and control. The thing I like about Quintana however is his gutsy performances out of jams. Sale can get pissed off and rattled whereas Q seems like he can stay level headed and in charge. I'd take Sale over Quintana but it's not a huge gap. The thing I'm curious to see is Q vs Sale in playoff games. That's got my intrigue if they're traded. When Q's curveball is going, it can be an out pitch. Just not to the level of Sale's slider/curve or Rodon's slider when on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) When Q's curveball is going, it can be an out pitch. Just not to the level of Sale's slider/curve or Rodon's slider when on. You got what I was saying though right? It's a fun debate because I love them both. Would miss them a lot if they're traded. Edited July 26, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) You got what I was saying though right? It's a fun debate because I love them both. Would miss them a lot if they're traded. Yeah. This is why I'm fine with keeping or trading them. They both could command huge ransom's. Or we still have them, which isn't a bad place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) Yeah. This is why I'm fine with keeping or trading them. They both could command huge ransom's. Or we still have them, which isn't a bad place to be. Not at all. It'd just force Hahn to become really creative or JR to sack up and spend for a high ticket FA bat. Depending on the progress of talks about Q, if any, I'd consider skipping Q until after the deadline. I know people would hate it but it wouldn't be the worst thing to protect him from injury while you engage in trade talks at the deadline. Edited July 26, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 04:25 PM) Yeah. This is why I'm fine with keeping or trading them. They both could command huge ransom's. Or we still have them, which isn't a bad place to be. Its the place the franchise has been for the last three + seasons. Its not really a great place to be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 "Just saw some bozo ask for Benintendi + for QUINTANA. Lmao. The guy hasn't won more than 9 games in a season." People like this still exist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Unless a trade partner throws in some proven MLB talent, I'm not convinced anyone will be offering fair value for 3.5 years of Sale or 4.5 years of Q. I'll take elite prospects - Urias, Moncada, for sure; Bregman and the Pirates guys maybe. Proven talent like Mazzara or Profar doesn't do much for me. They aren't that great (or at least they haven't played that way yet). Betts is a different story, but that won't hapen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) I'll take elite prospects - Urias, Moncada, for sure; Bregman and the Pirates guys maybe. Proven talent like Mazzara or Profar doesn't do much for me. They aren't that great (or at least they haven't played that way yet). Betts is a different story, but that won't hapen. The bolded comment is just hilarious. Those guys are hardly proven. I'm not a huge fan of Profar being a headerliner in a Sale or Q trade, but that is because he is only controlled for 3 years. That isn't the case with Mazara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I like both Profar and Mazarra, I just don't see a team trading them when trying to make playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Profar can be a FA in 2020, so I don't see any appeal there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) Profar can be a FA in 2020, so I don't see any appeal there. Just like Sale and Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) Just like Sale and Quintana. Those 2 reach FA in different years so one of those statements is incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Those 2 reach FA in different years so one of those statements is incorrect. Sale 2019, Q 2020. They both CAN be free agents in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) Profar can be a FA in 2020, so I don't see any appeal there. Thats four years from now. IF he continues his current trajectory you can spin him for more prospects in that time. The guy was what Moncada is now, the #1 prospect in baseball, a switch hitting 19 year old middle IF with 5 tool potential (except much better defensively) - though with injuries setting him back the last couple of seasons he has been delayed in his development. He is shaking the rust off and now would be a good time to try and buy low and hope he takes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) Thats four years from now. IF he continues his current trajectory you can spin him for more prospects in that time. The guy was what Moncada is now, the #1 prospect in baseball, a switch hitting 19 year old middle IF with 5 tool potential (except much better defensively) - though with injuries setting him back the last couple of seasons he has been delayed in his development. He is shaking the rust off and now would be a good time to try and buy low and hope he takes off. He has the exact same years remaining as Sale and hasn't broke out yet. If he had already broken out, then it would make more sense. But right now he's far from a sure thing and you can't afford to be patient with him given his years remaining. Not sure how trading Sale or Quintana for him would be buying low either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I don't want the #1 prospect from four years ago. I want the #1 prospect today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) He has the exact same years remaining as Sale and hasn't broke out yet. If he had already broken out, then it would make more sense. But right now he's far from a sure thing and you can't afford to be patient with him given his years remaining. Not sure how trading Sale or Quintana for him would be buying low either. If had broken out, you are looking at a Betts type of player that would be considered a candidate for a one for one trade with Sale. Getting him in a package with other prospects protects you against him possibly never reaching that potential. It is the same thing as when several people here wanted the Sox to acquire JBJ when he was struggling because if he ever turned it around you would have a perennial all-star type player at a premium position that you acquired at less than peak value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:00 PM) I don't want the #1 prospect from four years ago. I want the #1 prospect today. OK. You realize that Moncada is not a sure thing either though, right? Profar is starting to live up to the hype that made him the #1 prospect, is still only 23, and is a major league ready player. Pulling him and Mazara both would give you two guaranteed ML level players. Moncada is just as likely to struggle when he gets to the majors as Profar was and you may be able to get Moncada for Profar at some point when he starts to struggle. Profar was already in majors by the time he was Moncadas age and put up better numbers in AA when he was two years younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Moncada is 2 years younger, has 2-3 more years of team control, has more power, and hasn't had major shoulder surgery. And Profar hasn't exactly lit it up in his time in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) OK. You realize that Moncada is not a sure thing either though, right? Profar is starting to live up to the hype that made him the #1 prospect, is still only 23, and is a major league ready player. Pulling him and Mazara both would give you two guaranteed ML level players. Moncada is just as likely to struggle when he gets to the majors as Profar was and you may be able to get Moncada for Profar at some point when he starts to struggle. Profar was already in majors by the time he was Moncadas age and put up better numbers in AA when he was two years younger. He has a 96 wRC+ with a .115 ISO and his exit velocity is well below-average. He's hitting .203/.288/.254 in July, so it's not like he's trending upwards. How is that living up to the hype? Small sample size but defensive metrics haven't really liked him either. Edited July 27, 2016 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) http://espn.go.com/blog/mlb/rumors/post/_/..._medium=twitter https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...r61K/story.html Edited July 28, 2016 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...r61K/story.html Eduardo Rodriguez as the centerpeice in a Sale trade??? Lol, good try, Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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