Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Wow, you honestly think the Red Sox wouldn't trade Moncada straight up for Sale? I don't. If they did they wouldn't give you much else. Add $63 million to Sales salary the next few years for what would be Bostons true cost, and suddenly he isn't as huge of a bargain. Moncadas payoff is if he is a star right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) I don't think Boston would give up Moncada for either. They spent $63 million signing him with bonus plus penalty. I find it hard to believe he would be available starlight up let alone in a package. With Sale's contract and their investment for Moncada considered, Boston would be "paying" Sale 30.5mm per year on average. They'd also look to lock him up in the later years of his contract... so it would still make business sense for them. Edited July 23, 2016 by hi8is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) I don't. If they did they wouldn't give you much else. Add $63 million to Sales salary the next few years for what would be Bostons true cost, and suddenly he isn't as huge of a bargain. Moncadas payoff is if he is a star right away. Dombrowski would do a 1 for 1 deal in a heartbeat. No questions asked. Signing bonus is a sunk cost at this point, already paid and irrelevant to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) Dombrowski would do a 1 for 1 deal in a heartbeat. No questions asked. Signing bonus is a sunk cost at this point, already paid and irrelevant to this. Exactly, the $60M should have no barring on this decision. Plus where does Moncada play? I'm pretty sure Pedroia is locked up until 2021 and Boegarts will be their SS for the foreseeable future. Maybe they could try him at 3B or LF, but those aren't huge areas of need for them. Getting a legit ace for the next 3 1/2 years makes them the team to beat in the AL. They would be scary good and their young core gives them plenty of time to allow the farm system to replenish. There's no doubt in my mind that Dombrowski would trade Moncada+ for Sale. The only question is how much is that plus and is it enough for the White Sox to bite. Edited July 23, 2016 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 https://twitter.com/maxwildstein/status/756923894141952000 Barstool follows him. Tweet suggests Haymen cites Sox as asking teams for 5 prospects in any Sale deal. I see no article or direct quote from Haymen to this effect thou. Take it FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) https://twitter.com/maxwildstein/status/756923894141952000 Barstool follows him. Tweet suggests Haymen cites Sox as asking teams for 5 prospects in any Sale deal. I see no article or direct quote from Haymen to this effect thou. Take it FWIW Here. http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleba...-still-calling/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Guy on Twitter told me Boston would be crazy to trade Moncada who is a "Hall of fame talent". Maybe he will be but anointing minor leaguers before they step foot in the big leagues is a joke. They all overvalue their own prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Here. http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleba...-still-calling/ While a couple interested GMs said they doubted whether the Chisox would trade him based on the asking price, one said of the asking price, “They will get it." Get it done Hahn, don't settle for anything less than that...someone will eventually bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmbjeff Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:14 PM) Guy on Twitter told me Boston would be crazy to trade Moncada who is a "Hall of fame talent". Maybe he will be but anointing minor leaguers before they step foot in the big leagues is a joke. They all overvalue their own prospects LOL It's similar to those on this site that thing Sale gets you a Correa/Betts type AND all their top 5 minor leaguers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Sign me up for : Moncada Benintendi Kopech Swihart Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) The old adages are worth remembering: "Pitching is 80% of the game"; "Good pitching will always stop good hitting"; "Great pitching wins championships," etc. Now, factor in the exorbitant cost of locking up great pitching, e.g; Scherzer and Greinke. It seems that any team that wants Sale or Quintana would have to give up more than a top prospect, regardless of how promising he may be. Promises don't always translate into production. How do you trade one established Super Star, on a reasonable contract, for even a potential "Super Star," especially, when your Super Star is a pitcher and the other player is a position player? I would want more than Moncada, in a deal for Sale. The Sox have to be filling at least 2, preferably 3 holes, if they create the huge hole that losing Sale would represent. I know that we all have a tendency to over value our own players and prospects, but that is not the case with our lofty opinion of Chris Sale. Edited July 23, 2016 by Lillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) Sign me up for : Moncada Benintendi Kopech Swihart Johnson Sign me up for Sale and Robertson for Swihart, Rodriguez, Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, and Kopech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) Sign me up for Sale and Robertson for Swihart, Rodriguez, Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, and Kopech I would love to find a way to get ERod in the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) I would love to find a way to get ERod in the deal. Adding Robertson I think can do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...m-chicago-tampa We have been scouting Texas Jon Heyman is right that White Sox want 5 prime prospects for Chris Sale....Nomar Mazara is on their wish list here https://twitter.com/Sullivan_Ranger/status/...940496233172996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...m-chicago-tampa We have been scouting Texas Jon Heyman is right that White Sox want 5 prime prospects for Chris Sale....Nomar Mazara is on their wish list here https://twitter.com/Sullivan_Ranger/status/...940496233172996 Moving in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...m-chicago-tampa We have been scouting Texas Jon Heyman is right that White Sox want 5 prime prospects for Chris Sale....Nomar Mazara is on their wish list here https://twitter.com/Sullivan_Ranger/status/...940496233172996 He better be, that kid is a stud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Offensively yes. Defensively he's below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 A bit behind on the Astros prospect game, but I would absolutely love Bregman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Mazara Gallo Brinson Ortiz Demeritte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 The Angels need pitching and they have talked about dealing Trout. How about Sale for a Trout and a couple of prospects from the Angels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Let's try to analyze this from a different tack. What are the holes that need to be filled, going forward a year or 2: SS Anderson RF Eaton 1B Abreu DH ? C Collins 3B ? CF ? 2B ? Lf ? Trade Sale to Boston for Moncada and Jackie Bradley Jr., filling the holes at second base and centerfield. Boston could use Holt in center, for the rest of the season. Trade Robertson, Frazier and Melky to which ever teams could fill at least 2 of the other 3 holes, with young cost controlled players. You could include Lawrie, but he probably wouldn't bring back much. I'm beginning to get excited about Alex Call as a potential future outfielder. A DH could best be acquired in the Free agent market, and if Collins ends up at first, Abreu would DH. Keep Quintana, and hope that Rodon, Fullmer, Adams and Hansen, could fill out the rest of the rotation. Burdi and Jones might be able to hold down the back end of the bullpen. Edited July 23, 2016 by Lillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:10 PM) The Angels need pitching and they have talked about dealing Trout. How about Sale for a Trout and a couple of prospects from the Angels? ....They need pitching so they can build around the greatest player in a generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Yeah your probably not going to get a trade with the Rangers. They are incredibly banged up. Atleast in the IF. They cant trade Gallo and Profar. Edited July 23, 2016 by Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Jim Bowden said on MLB Radio that a GM told him kind of jokingly that he couldn't get through to Hahn because the phone was busy Edited July 23, 2016 by Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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