southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (heirdog @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) Im starting to get the feeling that DD is like some Soxtalk posters...beating a dead horse. No Boegarts, Betts, Bradley or Moancada, then no Sale, Dave. See you at the winter meetings when you will put them in play after missing out on the playoffs. If you wait until the off season you can get a player that is on a major league roster right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) That team is still terrible. This team is 3 games under .500 with Abreu and Frazier, their two best players, having the worst years of their career. I don't think its crazy for that team to be in contention. And if not, then they can trade everyone next July. Its how the Sox roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) If you wait until the off season you can get a player that is on a major league roster right now. Why is that such a priority? Enough of the retooling bulls***, I'm more than fine with getting only minor league prospects and waiting for them to develop. If you trade Sale, you have no business in receiving MLB ready talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:21 PM) Jared Carrabis @Jared_Carrabis 2m2 minutes ago Nick Cafardo on MLB Network: "I do believe [Red Sox] may make another attempt to fit the right pieces together" for Chris Sale. lol, they know what the right pieces are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) If you wait until the off season you can get a player that is on a major league roster right now. True, but I guess where the conversation becomes interesting is would we rather get Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech, and Shihart now, or Betts, Swihart, and Kopech in the winter? I think for me I'd rather take my chances now with the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) Why is that such a priority? Enough of the retooling bulls***, I'm more than fine with getting only minor league prospects and waiting for them to develop. If you trade Sale, you have no business in receiving MLB ready talent. There is some level of value to getting a young star that you KNOW is a major leaguer versus guys who are projected to be. There is a difference between getting a guy who could be like Kris Bryant, and getting Kris Bryant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) Why is that such a priority? Enough of the retooling bulls***, I'm more than fine with getting only minor league prospects and waiting for them to develop. If you trade Sale, you have no business in receiving MLB ready talent. Bradley and Betts are both under team control through 2020. That's right around the time that Q and Eaton hit free agency, so either of those two would fit in with the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) True, but I guess where the conversation becomes interesting is would we rather get Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech, and Shihart now, or Betts, Swihart, and Kopech in the winter? I think for me I'd rather take my chances now with the former. I think if Moncada and Benintendi and the others were in the deal, you'd probalby have it done. The issue more is with the fact that Boston is only willing to give up 1 plus the other prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 At this point, trading Sale or Q is just gonna piss me off regardless, because they'd be leaving so many other trade opportunities in the dust. If you trade one of those two, you may as well trade everyone not locked up long term - Melky, Frazier, Robertson being the ones that may bring back the most - because you arent competing in 2017 without Sale and/or Q. At this point, I have to imagine we get one trade, at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) If you wait until the off season you can get a player that is on a major league roster right now. yes, completely agree with this and what my preference would be unless the Boston top 4 is coming this way. My guess: Hahn started w the major league Bs and said add Benintendi or Moancada and some other pieces When he got a "no" for major league, he said top 5 prospects including Moancada and Ben ++ When he got a "no", he said final offer is top 4 spects with both Moancada and Ben...take it or leave it and we'll revisit in off-season. Hahn looking back may now say, you know what I came down enough and I'd actually prefer the first option when Groome is in play along with the major league Bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) If you wait until the off season you can get a player that is on a major league roster right now. I have no interest in getting Bradley, Betts, or Bogaerts in any deal for Sale/Q.. to me, that trade makes no sense. Not only would it lower the package, we would open a massive hole in our rotation and while getting a very good position player, I don't see how we are in any different situation than we are in now. If they are going to trade Sale/Q, it should be for a haul of top prospects. I know that they all wont work out, but I like that road better in terms of how this team can have a real chance of building something special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 30 minutes, but don't forget about the bonus time where nothing will happen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) 30 minutes, but don't forget about the bonus time where nothing will happen either. Is the bonus time like in Monster Jam, where if the fans yell and scream enough, the driver gets 90 more seconds to try to destroy his truck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 It still seems asinine that the only piece that's been moved is Duke. Bewildering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:31 PM) I have no interest in getting Bradley, Betts, or Bogaerts in any deal for Sale/Q.. to me, that trade makes no sense. Not only would it lower the package, we would open a massive hole in our rotation and while getting a very good position player, I don't see how we are in any different situation than we are in now. If they are going to trade Sale/Q, it should be for a haul of top prospects. I know that they all wont work out, but I like that road better in terms of how this team can have a real chance of building something special Why not around one of the B's plus Benitendi or Moncada plus Swihart, etc? It can be both and depending on the B, you are still getting a ton of long-term value. Plus, I think part of this change is more realizing we can develop pitching and not position talent, so it is more retooling the club around position players, hoping we can leverage our historical strength's to rebuild the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) I have no interest in getting Bradley, Betts, or Bogaerts in any deal for Sale/Q.. to me, that trade makes no sense. Not only would it lower the package, we would open a massive hole in our rotation and while getting a very good position player, I don't see how we are in any different situation than we are in now. If they are going to trade Sale/Q, it should be for a haul of top prospects. I know that they all wont work out, but I like that road better in terms of how this team can have a real chance of building something special To me, getting young guys that are already proven makes a of sense. You still get some cost control, and you lose some of the uncertainty of turning into the next Brien Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 They're standing their ground, but it sounds like these teams want them to cave. Sale is just too valuable to trade, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) Which is the wrong way. That is an opinion. I get your stance, but you don't trade Q and Sale unless you get what you want, and so long as you have those dudes, you may as well try to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) That is an opinion. I get your stance, but you don't trade Q and Sale unless you get what you want, and so long as you have those dudes, you may as well try to compete. I think more frustration is rooted in the fact that there are a lot of assets they should have moved prior to the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) That is an opinion. I get your stance, but you don't trade Q and Sale unless you get what you want, and so long as you have those dudes, you may as well try to compete. Trying to compete with Sale and Quintana has worked exactly zero times. It's time for something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox802 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 At least we got Charlie Tilson.... JB Shuck 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) That is an opinion. I get your stance, but you don't trade Q and Sale unless you get what you want, and so long as you have those dudes, you may as well try to compete. Which is a proven failure with this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) I think more frustration is rooted in the fact that there are a lot of assets they should have moved prior to the deadline. I don't think you move Melky and Frazier, 2 of your 3 best offensive pieces, if you keep Sale and Q. Same could be said for Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) Trying to compete with Sale and Quintana has worked exactly zero times. It's time for something else. Ugh. This is stupid. The Sox would have traded Sale and Q if they got the offers they wanted. Clearly they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) I don't think you move Melky and Frazier, 2 of your 3 best offensive pieces, if you keep Sale and Q. Same could be said for Robertson. But if the plan is/was to sell then start selling. Waiting for the biggest trade of all time to go down first is a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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