soxforlife05 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 05:10 PM) Yup, absolutely no reason not to deal Melky and give Coats a two month trial in LF. No thanks. Coats is not a major leaguer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 05:15 PM) That would be so incredibly risky IMO. First off, your odds of building winner for the 2017 are incredibly low. Second, you're passing on potential value that guys like Melky & Gonzalez could get you now. Finally, you're gambling that your prized assets don't get hurt between now and next July. Why take that risk? This organization needs to be smart for once and blow things up between now and the offseason. Clearly they don't have enough trade value or they'd be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) No thanks. Coats is not a major leaguer. Probably not, but he's exactly the type of prospect you give 200 at-bats to in a lost season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 07:54 PM) No thanks. Coats is not a major leaguer. Not Coats, I said play Tilson the rest of this season. I think Melky's value is as high as it ever will. See if some team could use a .300 hitter( both a veteran and a lefty) for the stretch run. Edited August 1, 2016 by SCCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 It's a bit surprising to me we haven't heard a peep about Melky on the trade market. Has he been mentioned even once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 07:12 PM) It's a bit surprising to me we haven't heard a peep about Melky on the trade market. Has he been mentioned even once? Not that I can recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 07:10 PM) Not Coats, I said play Tilson the rest of this season. I think Melky's value is as high as it ever will. See if some team could use a .300 hitter( both a veteran and a lefty) for the stretch run. Tilson should get everyday at-bats in CF regardless of what we do with Melky. Coats is simply the next guy in-line for corner outfield playing time if a spot should open up in the very near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) Tilson should get everyday at-bats in CF regardless of what we do with Melky. Coats is simply the next guy in-line for corner outfield playing time if a spot should open up in the very near future. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) Tilson should get everyday at-bats in CF regardless of what we do with Melky. Coats is simply the next guy in-line for corner outfield playing time if a spot should open up in the very near future. I'm fine with Tilson keeping CF warm until Andrew Benintendi is ready to come up and take over the position. (See what I did there? The power of wishful thinking!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) I'm fine with Tilson keeping CF warm until Andrew Benintendi is ready to come up and take over the position. (See what I did there? The power of wishful thinking!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Sounds like a Bruce deal may be close to happening. Will be interesting to see what the return is and if we would have been satisfied with moving Melky for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:37 AM) Sounds like a Bruce deal may be close to happening. Will be interesting to see what the return is and if we would have been satisfied with moving Melky for it. Bruce has more value: better hitter, younger, cheaper. Still we should be trying to move him and not a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:42 AM) Bruce has more value: better hitter, younger, cheaper. Still we should be trying to move him and not a word. There isn't much of a difference in quality of hitting, just different styles. And defensively, Melky has actually been the better player by advanced metrics. Yes, Bruce is a couple years younger, but I'm not sure why that matters when both are only under control for one more season and Jay has been the one unable to stay healthy in recent years. The difference is salary is $2M, which is pretty meaningless. Unless you are desperate for power, I would personally take Melky over Bruce, especially if I were an AL team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:47 AM) There isn't much of a difference in quality of hitting, just different styles. And defensively, Melky has actually been the better player by advanced metrics. Yes, Bruce is a couple years younger, but I'm not sure why that matters when both are only under control for one more season and Jay has been the one unable to stay healthy in recent years. The difference is salary is $2M, which is pretty meaningless. Unless you are desperate for power, I would personally take Melky over Bruce, especially if I were an AL team. Agreed 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I don't think people should get their panties in a bunch if guys like Shields and Melky aren't moved today. These are guys, who could be moved next month. Shields would clearly clear waivers as any team that claims him would be on the hook for his entire contract, not just the White Sox portion, and the White Sox would still get paid by SD. Melky is owed a decent sum next season, and it is doubtful a non contending team would claim him. For today, Sale, Q, and Robertson are the guys who if not moved today, aren't going to be moved this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) I don't think people should get their panties in a bunch if guys like Shields and Melky aren't moved today. These are guys, who could be moved next month. Shields would clearly clear waivers as any team that claims him would be on the hook for his entire contract, not just the White Sox portion, and the White Sox would still get paid by SD. Melky is owed a decent sum next season, and it is doubtful a non contending team would claim him. For today, Sale, Q, and Robertson are the guys who if not moved today, aren't going to be moved this season. I don't think sox would just let him go for nothing. I guess there is a chance they could just to receive money from SD. I think a team would consider that though before placing a claim so it's probably a moot point to even talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) I don't think sox would just let him go for nothing. I guess there is a chance they could just to receive money from SD. I think a team would consider that though before placing a claim so it's probably a moot point to even talk about. If someone claimed Shields off waivers, the Sox wouldn't owe him a dime and still would have about $27 million coming into their bank account from SD. They would take that in a heartbeat. Any trade would require the SD money to move along with Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) If someone claimed Shields off waivers, the Sox wouldn't owe him a dime and still would have about $27 million coming into their bank account from SD. They would take that in a heartbeat. Any trade would require the SD money to move along with Shields. They would likely. But I just don't see a team claiming him for the full amount. I think it's more likely he'd clear waivers and then a team would try to make a deal even though teams also have that option today still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) They would likely. But I just don't see a team claiming him for the full amount. I think it's more likely he'd clear waivers and then a team would try to make a deal even though teams also have that option today still. Right. That's why it isn't a big deal if he isn't traded today. He's an easy waiver clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) If someone claimed Shields off waivers, the Sox wouldn't owe him a dime and still would have about $27 million coming into their bank account from SD. They would take that in a heartbeat. Any trade would require the SD money to move along with Shields. Ha, that's amazing. I didn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-hitter...-left-fielders/ I read this and thought maybe melky's july deadline market may be bigger than I thought (i.e >0). The AL left fielders are just that bad, though this obviously is just one component and we'd probably all take Brett Gardner over Melky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 No doubt, if Melky does what Melky usually does and puts up a .300 average, some team might need him or love to have him as a rental. I think the fact that his contract finishes after 2017 will make him more attractive to teams this year. I could see the Sox getting at least 1 decent prospect for him at or near the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Ridiculous idea that for money reasons isn't a fit at all...on the other hand: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles...0109-story.html "Orioles manager Buck Showalter still seeking another left-handed bat in outfield" Melky vs LH .322 .352 .496 .847 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) Ridiculous idea that for money reasons isn't a fit at all...on the other hand: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles...0109-story.html "Orioles manager Buck Showalter still seeking another left-handed bat in outfield" Melky vs LH .322 .352 .496 .847 I'm confused. If it says they are seeking another left-handed bat, why are you showing his stats vs Left handed pitching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) I'm confused. If it says they are seeking another left-handed bat, why are you showing his stats vs Left handed pitching? His lefty stats aren't bad either. .289/.344/.789 Not world beating, but useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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