Lip Man 1 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) Do you really think they will spend $50 million in salary next year to fill these positions with players who are actually good? Then what do they do in 2018 when Frazier, Lawrie and Melky's contracts are up? Spend another $50 million to replace. Now is the time to sell and rebuild the farm. This situation could not be any more ideal. Selling 2 of the top SP in the game and get back huge hauls for the future. Trading now will have you in a good position as early as 2018. Keep in mind that even if the Sox wanted to spend that kind of money the free agent class is poor. That means in all probability if they are "going for it" yet again they are going to have to make trades. That does two things, deplete an average at best farm system and potentially create MORE holes on the big league roster because they traded someone off it. The Sox have been reduced to "hope and a prayer" that they can catch lightening in a bottle. Mark Edited July 30, 2016 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Until the contending teams, which are looking for starting pitching, have acquired the arms they seek, I remain optimistic that Hahn will be able to make a good deal for Sale, or Quintana. Boston, Texas and L. A. have not yet acquired anyone, and they are running out of time. They are the ones who are up against the deadline, if they want to win it, this year. The Pale Hose can wait, if they have to. There is always the off season. I just hope that Hahn doesn't screw it up. Edited July 30, 2016 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Yep, they probably will. A front office that can't come close to .500 while "all in" probably doesn't have the chops to grab value when its available. It's becoming apparent that Hahn is to general managing what Ventura is to managing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 04:27 PM) Yep, they probably will. A front office that can't come close to .500 while "all in" probably doesn't have the chops to grab value when its available. It's becoming apparent that Hahn is to general managing what Ventura is to managing. Again hahn has 2 bosses he has to go through on making decisions. He cant go crazy and start doing stuff on his own without probably get in big trouble. Same goes for making the decision on keeping or getting rid of ventura. Has to go through his bosses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I mean, if you assume the plan is actually to trade people vs competing next year, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 so terrible free agent class, no minor leaguers to trade....I'm just kind of curious what the "go for it 2017" plan would look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) No way in hell is James Shields opting out, it's simply not happening. The guy is guaranteed $42M over the next two years. He is not getting more than that as a free agent. I think there's a better chance he retires than opting out. I didn't say opting out for more money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I swear if we stand pat I'm going to be beyond pissed. Thinking we can go into '17 without 3-4 new, and improved, position players would be beyond stupid. It's going to be huge $ deals for the few quality starting position players available in free agency and we don't have a single prospect coming. Painfully obvious moves need to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) I mean, if you assume the plan is actually to trade people vs competing next year, perhaps. If they're really serious about competing next year they should be trying to get Lucroy from the Brewers. Then they better be ready to extremely overpay for Reddick and Encarnacion this offseason, outbidding other teams no matter how stupid the offer. Then, fix the bullpen. Then maybe they would have a chance to compete next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 04:04 PM) so terrible free agent class, no minor leaguers to trade....I'm just kind of curious what the "go for it 2017" plan would look like. See post #37. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 06:33 PM) If they're really serious about competing next year they should be trying to get Lucroy from the Brewers. Then they better be ready to extremely overpay for Reddick and Encarnacion this offseason, outbidding other teams no matter how stupid the offer. Then, fix the bullpen. Then maybe they would have a chance to compete next year. What's the package for Lucroy? Fulmer and ....? We have pretty much 0 hitting prospects worth a damn in a trade. I can't see any circumstance where we could make the best offer in any trade for good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 06:12 PM) What's the package for Lucroy? Fulmer and ....? We have pretty much 0 hitting prospects worth a damn in a trade. I can't see any circumstance where we could make the best offer in any trade for good player. It would have to be like Saladino/Fulmer/Adams/Danish/Trey M. Not a flashy return but it could end up being a pretty good one for them. I don't see how we get Lucroy because if no team is paying up big for Sale or Q they will have the additional assets to move for Lucroy. Edited July 31, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Forget about Lucroy. It's hard to believe that Hahn would be adding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) In all probability, I think it's a given he uses the word considering. "In all probability" is a token Hahn phrase, too. I expect him to drop that 4-6 times as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 07:30 PM) "In all probability" is a token Hahn phrase, too. I expect him to drop that 4-6 times as well. These tend to be lawyer phrases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:30 PM) "In all probability" is a token Hahn phrase, too. I expect him to drop that 4-6 times as well. "We can't say with certainty" and "we feel good about" seems to be another couple that come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) Then they better be ready to extremely overpay for Reddick and Encarnacion this offseason, outbidding other teams no matter how stupid the offer. Then, fix the bullpen. Then maybe they would have a chance to compete next year. Emphasis on maybe. After 3 years of going for it, they may be able to compete. What a capable front office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 I Think it depends on how you define "blowing it." If the mouthbreathers in the front office trade away assets for less than FULL VALUE, yes that would be "blowing it." The craptacular returns for swisher & peavey hurt this organization every bit as much as the stupid acquisitions of mediocre veterans like Jeff S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) I Think it depends on how you define "blowing it." If the mouthbreathers in the front office trade away assets for less than FULL VALUE, yes that would be "blowing it." The craptacular returns for swisher & peavey hurt this organization every bit as much as the stupid acquisitions of mediocre veterans like Jeff S. Stranger Things have happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 To summarize the Sox trade deadline talks: There isn't one team that wants any player we have other than Sale and Quintana, and there are no serious talks involving either one of them. Get ready for a slow slog until the end of another disappointing season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:39 AM) To summarize the Sox trade deadline talks: There isn't one team that wants any player we have other than Sale and Quintana, and there are no serious talks involving either one of them. Get ready for a slow slog until the end of another disappointing season. This is just flat out not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:07 AM) This is just flat out not true. It's true until proven otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:38 AM) It's true until proven otherwise Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 54s54 seconds ago The #Marlins, on hand to scout #WhiteSox starter Miguel Gonzalez, see strong performance: 6.2 IP, 7 hits, 2 ER, 8 Ks, 2 walks vs. #Cubs. K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmbjeff Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:04 PM) so terrible free agent class, no minor leaguers to trade....I'm just kind of curious what the "go for it 2017" plan would look like. The Free Agent class isn't awful, there's actual useful players for the Sox but there is no way they get the best options. They will just be too expensive and they will sell you on Adam Lind, Carlos Gomez, Pedro Alvarez, Matt Weiters types. They may go after one of the bigger names like Encarnacion, Trumbo, Bautista, but the cost and length of contract will hurt them long term anyway. Also, as I have said in other posts, wait til 2018 and then they have to go out and spend even more money to replace Melky, Lawrie and Frazier. This team just isn't going to spend a combined $50 million in salary on free agents in back to back years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 02:52 AM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 54s54 seconds ago The #Marlins, on hand to scout #WhiteSox starter Miguel Gonzalez, see strong performance: 6.2 IP, 7 hits, 2 ER, 8 Ks, 2 walks vs. #Cubs. K. I would have thought he'd be a better choice than Cashner. Not sure what the Marlins have left. I certainly wouldn't give him away- in contrast to Shields, his peripherals are decent. Back to Vaquez- he would be a good piece in a Robertson deal or a great THE piece for Shields. Edited July 31, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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