Baron Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 White Sox evaluators aren't just scouting Red Sox' system. Source says Chicago looking at catchers, incl Christian Vazquez and Gary Sanchez. https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/759505031401844736 Quest for a catcher continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Christian Vazquez is an unbelievable pitch framer. I'm sure the data agrees, because I just marvel at how quickly and smoothly he snaps every pitch in to the zone. Edited July 30, 2016 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Sunrise Sports @SunriseWrol Andrew Benintendi is not in Portland's lineup. Christian Vazquez is not in Pawtucket's lineup..... Very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Why do I fear that someone else is getting them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:36 PM) Why do I fear that someone else is getting them? I can't think of what other elite SP/RP (Not Miller) is available to warrant them moving Benintendi though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) Christian Vazquez is an unbelievable pitch framer. I'm sure the data agrees, because I just marvel at how quickly and smoothly he snaps every pitch in to the zone. Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) Christian Vazquez is an unbelievable pitch framer. I'm sure the data agrees, because I just marvel at how quickly and smoothly he snaps every pitch in to the zone. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:47 PM) I can't think of what other elite SP/RP (Not Miller) is available to warrant them moving Benintendi though. Chris Archer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 06:00 PM) Chris Archer? Perhaps, but blockbusters within the division though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 06:03 PM) Perhaps, but blockbusters within the division though? True, it's very unlikely, but depends on the haul I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Basquez for a throw in, fine. But you have to hit. He's more than .100 OPS below acceptable levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Vazquez is indeed a wonderful pitch framer but I feel like Soxtalk will hate him for his hitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:28 PM) Vazquez is indeed a wonderful pitch framer but I feel like Soxtalk will hate him for his hitting Flowers 2.0 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:28 PM) Vazquez is indeed a wonderful pitch framer but I feel like Soxtalk will hate him for his hitting Can only really carry him with a good offense. I don't really want him due to the current state of the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Bumping because Gary Sanchez was on the Sox radar but Yanks at the time were asking too much for him. Also funny that with Sanchez and Vasquez to talk about Soxtalkers picked the wonderful pitch framer to marvel over. When will you all learn pitch framing is a bull s*** fad that means very little. Umps have wised up to it and its still umpiring strengths and weaknesses that lead to most blown balls and strikes calls. Apparently pitch framing is more fascinating than hitting bombs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) Bumping because Gary Sanchez was on the Sox radar but Yanks at the time were asking too much for him. Also funny that with Sanchez and Vasquez to talk about Soxtalkers picked the wonderful pitch framer to marvel over. When will you all learn pitch framing is a bull s*** fad that means very little. Umps have wised up to it and its still umpiring strengths and weaknesses that lead to most blown balls and strikes calls. Apparently pitch framing is more fascinating than hitting bombs. I'm not gonna argue, Sanchez > Vasquez, but have you watched a Dioner Navarro-caught game for us this season? Also, Sanchez's home run streak is unsustainable. This is a guy who can hit you 15-20 homers a season, not 75 (approximately his current pace). Pitchers will adjust to him. It's not like he was some big time power hitter in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) I'm not gonna argue, Sanchez > Vasquez, but have you watched a Dioner Navarro-caught game for us this season? Also, Sanchez's home run streak is unsustainable. This is a guy who can hit you 15-20 homers a season, not 75 (approximately his current pace). Pitchers will adjust to him. It's not like he was some big time power hitter in the minors. Unsustainable, really ? I know you don't want to argue but I think some fans don't understand pitch framing which is taking a borderline strike and turning it into a strike. I say this because of comments I always see in game threads when a catcher has to move his glove a long way in a fraction of a second catches it in the strike zone because of the pitcher missing badly on location and then whining about how Navarro is a terrible pitch framer . Those kind of pitches are definitely on the ump. I'd say Navarro was/is not a good pitch framer but in the grand scheme I think it's given a level of importance, by the way its constantly talked about, that is way out of proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) Unsustainable, really ? I know you don't want to argue but I think some fans don't understand pitch framing which is taking a borderline strike and turning it into a strike. I say this because of comments I always see in game threads when a catcher has to move his glove a long way in a fraction of a second catches it in the strike zone because of the pitcher missing badly on location and then whining about how Navarro is a terrible pitch framer . Those kind of pitches are definitely on the ump. I'd say Navarro was/is not a good pitch framer but in the grand scheme I think it's given a level of importance, by the way its constantly talked about, that is way out of proportion. The amount of strikes called balls with Dioner behind the plate this season was really hard to believe. It's total effect on the performance is probably hard to judge accurately, but there is no doubt the way balls are caught fools umpires each way. Those skilled at it do their pitchers a great service. Those not so good, hurt them. Maybe Navarro was better with the staff in other ways. Maybe he called a game better. Maybe he knew which buttons to push better, but he did cost his guys a lot of strikes. I read another thing on Dioner. He needs one more season for 10 in service time which I guess is a huge milestone for the pension. He picked a bad time to hit at an awful clip. If he doesn't show some sort of bounce back in Toronto, he may be done. Edited August 29, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) Bumping because Gary Sanchez was on the Sox radar but Yanks at the time were asking too much for him. Also funny that with Sanchez and Vasquez to talk about Soxtalkers picked the wonderful pitch framer to marvel over. When will you all learn pitch framing is a bull s*** fad that means very little. Umps have wised up to it and its still umpiring strengths and weaknesses that lead to most blown balls and strikes calls. Apparently pitch framing is more fascinating than hitting bombs. I think Vazquez will be a very good ML catcher. His hitting was a problem this year because he sat out most of last year. But he was a consistent .275 hitter in A, AA and AAA. Besides his noted pitch framing, he has a canon of an arm and is still only 25. I would take him as a 3rd type piece in a package. But I think the Sale/Q trade to Boston will not happen now that Boston's need seems more bullpen depth than starting pitching. They will probably go for a step down from Sale/Q. Maybe Rodon is a possiblilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Guessing Tradewinds is closed. Didn't expect to see this thread on the main page. Not saying anything else on pitch framing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) Bumping because Gary Sanchez was on the Sox radar but Yanks at the time were asking too much for him. Also funny that with Sanchez and Vasquez to talk about Soxtalkers picked the wonderful pitch framer to marvel over. When will you all learn pitch framing is a bull s*** fad that means very little. Umps have wised up to it and its still umpiring strengths and weaknesses that lead to most blown balls and strikes calls. Apparently pitch framing is more fascinating than hitting bombs. Excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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