Dunt Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 So you just bring Tilson up, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 16) Charlie Tilson, OF, Grade C+: Age 23, hit .295/.351/.388 with 20 doubles, four homers, 46 steals, 46 walks, 72 strikeouts in 539 at-bats, excellent athlete with fine defensive ability, a threat on the bases though he can still be somewhat raw there, will need to develop more power to be a regular but could have long career as fourth outfielder. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/3/3/11...spects-for-2016 Speed is indeed Tilson's best tool and it can serve him well both on the basepaths and in center field. He improved in terms of his basestealing skills in 2015, but the Cardinals would love to see him become even more aggressive, which they think will help him cut down on his caught stealing rate. Tilson has a good idea of what he's doing at the plate, albeit without power. He draws walks, drops down bunts and uses the whole field. With more experience, he has the chance to be a tick above-average in center field defensively, though right now he still outruns mistakes he makes with his jumps and routes. He has a below-average throwing arm. Tilson may profile best as a valuable fourth outfielder, though there's still a chance he can be a top-of-the-order catalyst and everyday center fielder. http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=stl I’ll admit to being a little torn on Tilson. Watching him hit is not an impressive sight, with his choppy, pushy swing built for ground balls and no power. He’s not an elite defender, but should do well enough in center field, and he has plus to plus-plus speed that he is learning to use on the bases. Speedsters with ground-ball swings tend to do much better in the minors than in the big leagues, but Tilson has a bit more upside with his hitting because of his contact and occasional solid-looking swing path. We’ll just have to see where it shakes out over the next year or two. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-...ouis-cardinals/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:25 AM) So you just bring Tilson up, right? I see him up in Sept, he takes most of the playing time from Avi and Shuck. In the offseason, both those guys are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 I like that he's fundamentally sound, a good contact hitter, and speedy. Those are the kind of guys we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) He had 46 steals last year. Peter Bourjos...? Too bad not another One Dog from the Cards. That's what we need. Edited July 31, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Let Tilson lead off. Seems that's what he is. Move Eaton to the 2 hole where he excelled and allows us to move Anderson down the order. For now, put him in the outfield over Shuck. Edited July 31, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) Let Tilson lead off. Seems that's what he is. Move Eaton to the 2 hole where he excelled and allows us to move Anderson down the order. For now, put him in the outfield over Shuck. Helps he can hit lefties too. However with Eaton and Tilson at the top, you'll be susceptible to a loogy mowing them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Fan In Husker Land Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) Helps he can hit lefties too. However with Eaton and Tilson at the top, you'll be susceptible to a loogy mowing them down. Maybe. But his splits against LHP this year at AAA are actually good at the plate. 100 ABs, .380/.423/.480 8 BB 16 K (at worst 14.81 K rate, not sure of HBP #s, SACs, SF #s against LHP). I like this trade for Zach Duke. It seems worst case scenario we have a 4th OF that can play good D, make contact, and can run. Best case scenario we have a starting CF that hits around 275/330/375 and steals 20 bags a year while playing good D. Similar to what Jacoby Ellsbury is putting up this year for the Yankees (264/326/367 .103 ISO 4 HR 17 SBs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Hahn needs to tell Ventura not to pitch Robertson today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) Hahn needs to tell Ventura not to pitch Robertson today. Jennings and Robertson probably are unavailable. Could be a Kahnle day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) Hahn needs to tell Ventura not to pitch Robertson today. I don't think one appearance is going to matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) Alrighty then. Looks like we've acquired Melky's replacement. Austin Jackson's and/or JB Shuck's replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) It doesn't look like they liked him as much as Keenyn Walker. Maybe a decent 4th OF is a real nice return for Duke. But as I posted before and has been posted a couple times since, there really is no reason to make this trade right now unless something big is going to happen. LH relief is needed. Relief is needed. He doesn't make a ton of money, and the prospect coming back isn't overwhelming. Some dominoes are going to fall. It's probably a bad move unless something big is going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:23 AM) It's probably a bad move unless something big is going to happen. Has to be. Just moving Duke would be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Not bad at all. Duke wasn't part of the long term future anyway, and the Sox were able to get his contract off the books too. I don't know much about Tilson, but I'd be happy if he was a Denard Span or Ben Revere type with good defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) It's probably a bad move unless something big is going to happen. I really doubt we'll be trading for a higher caliber replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Kid went to the same high school as Hahn. I'll be curious now to see how Duke performs with a better organization. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) I really doubt we'll be trading for a higher caliber replacement Don't think that's what he meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) Not bad at all. Duke wasn't part of the long term future anyway, and the Sox were able to get his contract off the books too. I don't know much about Tilson, but I'd be happy if he was a Denard Span or Ben Revere type with good defense. He basically profiles as a Span/Revere type (best-case scenario) with average defense. I'd be happy with that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) https://twitter.com/barstoolWSD/status/759789363244871680 Tilson called up Tuesday? Somebody should tell him there is no game tomorrow. Edited July 31, 2016 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 If my info is correct and Tilson is activated, I assume this means the JB Schuck era on the South Side has come to a completion #WhiteSox https://twitter.com/barstoolWSD/status/759791110248017920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) https://twitter.com/barstoolWSD/status/759789363244871680 Tilson called up Tuesday? Somebody should tell him there is no game tomorrow. If Rodon's return brings the roster to 25, then another move is necessary to for Tilson to be on the MLB team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) If Rodon's return brings the roster to 25, then another move is necessary to for Tilson to be on the MLB team. DFA of Shuck, or send down of Sanchez are the two most obvious ones./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) Not bad at all. Duke wasn't part of the long term future anyway, and the Sox were able to get his contract off the books too. I don't know much about Tilson, but I'd be happy if he was a Denard Span or Ben Revere type with good defense. If the Sox aren't going to make any bigger moves, they just traded one of their better relievers from their already thin bullpen for a fourth outfielder which weakens them for next year. So if the plan was to give it one more shot with this group in 2017, this is a bad move as it stands alone. Duke's contract should not have been an issue. This move should signal that the Sox are about to make some big moves, or at least a flurry of smaller moves. Otherwise it looks pretty much like making a trade just for the sake of making a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) I don't think one appearance is going to matter. Probably not. But 2 meltdowns in a week won't help, so why take the chance pitching him 2 days in a row. Game doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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