Dunt Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 25 man roster with additions coming via free agency and trades: -Sign Edwin Encarnacion to a 4 year, $80 MM deal -Trade for Brian McCann -Resign Austin Jackson to a 1 yr contract RF Eaton LF Cabrera DH Encarnacion 1B Abreu C McCann 3B Frazier 2B Lawrie SS Anderson CF Jackson/Tilson BE Narvaez BE Saladino BE Jackson/Tilson BE ________ SP Sale SP Quintana SP Rodon SP Gonzalez SP Fulmer CL Jones SU Robertson SU Burdi RP Jennings RP Purnam RP Petricka RP Ynoa/Goldberg/Shields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 If we signed Encarnacion for 4 for 80 I'd be happy to go for it next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) We won't sign Encarnacion...Bautista seems more likely in a one and done scenario. McCann could be ours today with a waiver claim, but that's extremely unlikely. Feels like the solution has to come from Korea (hitter), Japan or Cuba. They're going to have to get a rebound season from someone like Yasiel Puig, with a manager he can actually get along with...maybe not him, but a similar risky player with some amount of reward built in (see Contreras, Carl Everett, Dye and AJ back in 2003-2005). Juan Uribe was also brought on board in similar circumstances after quickly wearing out his welcome in Colorado. Fulmer's not close to ready for the rotation unless 5 mph on his fastball returns. Edited August 10, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) What are we trading for Brian McCann? I feel like the Yankees aren't going to try to move him as I see them going all in as well. He's going to move into a 1B/DH/3rd catcher role. Edit: the fact he's been put on waivers means nothing. More of a "hey maybe a team will have an injury and be desperate and overpay for a catcher" type of situation. Edited August 10, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 02:39 PM) 25 man roster with additions coming via free agency and trades: -Sign Edwin Encarnacion to a 4 year, $80 MM deal -Trade for Brian McCann -Resign Austin Jackson to a 1 yr contract RF Eaton LF Cabrera DH Encarnacion 1B Abreu C McCann 3B Frazier 2B Lawrie SS Anderson CF Jackson/Tilson BE Narvaez BE Saladino BE Jackson/Tilson BE ________ SP Sale SP Quintana SP Rodon SP Gonzalez SP Fulmer CL Jones SU Robertson SU Burdi RP Jennings RP Purnam RP Petricka RP Ynoa/Goldberg/Shields? That ain't going for it much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) If we signed Encarnacion for 4 for 80 I'd be happy to go for it next year. That is about half of the total dollars he is looking for from Toronto. I have to imagine someone would at least be willing to go 3/90, if not 4/120, even if they don't want to go to 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Yes, everyone has been put on waivers...everyone. Just a way of assessing value. And you're right, NY might be all in again next year too, in the same sense the White Sox are...but they can at least sell it better with Clint Frazier added to the mix. We've gotten locked into a situation where we are adding more and more 30+ exploding contracts (Shields, Encarnacion, Bautista, McCann, etc.) It just won't work because the payroll will run out first. It's also yet another reason they should have cleared Robertson or Shields for next year...and rolled the dice with Jones, Burdi, etc. Now they're stuck yet again in terms of next year's roster, minus a boost to the $150-175 million range, which would be completely unprecedented. Edited August 10, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) If we signed Encarnacion for 4 for 80 I'd be happy to go for it next year. Sox won't sign him because Boston has a huge hole at DH with Ortiz retiring. He's their #1 target. They should do something like re-sign Morneau, sign Cespedes, and trade for McCann. Could Fulmer + be enough for McCann? This whole go for it mentality will fail miserably unless JR finally commits some serious $$ LF - Cabrera CF - Cespedes RF - Eaton 3B - Frazier SS - Anderson 2B - Lawrie 1B - Abreu C - McCann DH - Morneau Util - Saladino 4OF - Tilson Edited August 10, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 05:18 PM) Sox won't sign him because Boston has a huge hole at DH with Ortiz retiring. He's their #1 target. Really depends on what they do with Sandoval and Hanley. As of now, I believe they would be sharing the 1B/DH spots with Shaw holding down third until someone else comes up. Unless they add someone from outside the organization for 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 06:20 PM) Really depends on what they do with Sandoval and Hanley. As of now, I believe they would be sharing the 1B/DH spots with Shaw holding down third until someone else comes up. Unless they add someone from outside the organization for 3B. Moncada or Devers could be at 3rd by 2018 or even 2017. Moncada could also be the DH next year while they figure out if he can play 3B or outfield (if they trade a B). Shaw struggles at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) For me, there is no go for it solution considering this team and its budget constraints. But I'll think about this and see what I can come up with. Off the top of my head we need a revamped beginning of the pen, CF if Engel isn't ready or Tilson isn't healthy, we need a starting catcher, 1B (move Abreu to DH). New coaching staff and Sale needs to see a shrink about his AL Central issues along with some anger management. Edited August 11, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 There's not even a realistic option for two of those areas... But let's just say for argument's sake Dh is Morneau or Morales. They bring in Gomez or Rasmus for CF and shock the world by signing Ramos at catcher. Still not convincing that wins you anything at all in the AL...we'd have to win the Central. Eaton Cabrera Abreu Morneau or Morales Frazier Ramos Lawrie/Saladino Gomez or Rasmus Anderson Cespedes is a no go. The question is how much signing Ramos would cost, and whether Hahn will forsake the draft pick. We likely end up with two needs sort of addressed in a win now/veterans or bust way but don't solve the vexing catching problem. You put Avila there at the bottom instead of Ramos and you're maybe the 9th-11th offense in the AL, optimistically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/2017...ngs-august.html Can anyone realistically see the Sox signing any of these guys? Overpaying for Michael Saunders and then watching him sit a year on the DL would be par for the course. Let's not forget the three year rule from last offseason will wipe out nearly everyone but Bautista and maybe Trumbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) 2 declining veterans and a 4 year contract for a 34 year old. Sheesh Probably 25 teams can take their best case scenario, add 3 veterans and think "We could contend" But they can't. There are no quick fixes anymore. The game has changed. You either acquire and develop young talent or you don't. Edited August 10, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 *rick hahn clicks topic* *types, hovers over post button* *closes browser* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 06:06 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/2017...ngs-august.html Can anyone realistically see the Sox signing any of these guys? Overpaying for Michael Saunders and then watching him sit a year on the DL would be par for the course. Let's not forget the three year rule from last offseason will wipe out nearly everyone but Bautista and maybe Trumbo. You do know that the 3 year thing was nonsense, right? Doesn't really need to be mentioned anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Here's my quick fix. Get Puig out of the Dodgers. The price should be cheap, but a lot of teams will think it's cheap, which may make it fairly expensive. Sign Jason Castro to a 1 year contract. Trade Lawrie for like a #4 rent-a- starter. Saladino's just as good, if not better. Re-sign Morneau. Pray that Fulmer and Buri can be effective bullpen pitchers. Not sure what to about CF. Need more pop than Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tim-tebow-get...-162751280.html In the tradition of MJ and Bo Bobbleheads... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 05:19 PM) You do know that the 3 year thing was nonsense, right? Doesn't really need to be mentioned anymore Fine, but which of those players will the Sox realistically give four or five years to in your opinion? Other than Dunn, who turned out wonderfully, who is the last Sox player signed by the Sox for more than three years at age 30+ (see Cabrera for three and LaRoche for two)? Robertson was 29 and turned 30 the opening week of the 2015 season. Encarnacion or Ramos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 06:19 PM) You do know that the 3 year thing was nonsense, right? Doesn't really need to be mentioned anymore I think the Sox are actually honoring it. One more go in 2017 (which would be year 3). They've got 3 significant expiring contracts in 2017: Lawrie, Frazier, Melky. If it doesn't work, they get dumped in July. They key will be finding a C, CF, SP and another hitter without the encumbrance of a long-term contract or, hopefully, dumping prospects. Can probably get a C, maybe a hitter (that's why I suggested Puig). Edited August 10, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 05:22 PM) Here's my quick fix. Get Puig out of the Dodgers. The price should be cheap, but a lot of teams will think it's cheap, which may make it fairly expensive. Sign Jason Castro to a 1 year contract. Trade Lawrie for like a #4 rent-a- starter. Saladino's just as good, if not better. Re-sign Morneau. Pray that Fulmer and Buri can be effective bullpen pitchers. Not sure what to about CF. Need more pop than Jackson. Why in earth would you get rid of Lawrie? Let alone for a rental #4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) Why in earth would you get rid of Lawrie? Let alone for a rental #4? Why not? He's an average player and Saladino's just as good. Lawrie is a rent himself. Trade from excess. Edited August 11, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 The return for Lawrie will give you the equivalent of a Hellickson or Miguel Gonzalez. At any rate, he's not worth any more now than a year ago. And the only reason to do that is if you're supremely confident in Saladino being an everyday 2b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 07:15 PM) The return for Lawrie will give you the equivalent of a Hellickson or Miguel Gonzalez. At any rate, he's not worth any more now than a year ago. And the only reason to do that is if you're supremely confident in Saladino being an everyday 2b. At least as confident as I am in Lawrie, which admittedly, isn't supreme. Saladino can play more positions. He's a better player, imo. I'll take a year of the way Hellickson has pitched this year for a year of Lawrie. Give me Sale, Q and 3 Hellickson's and that rotation is fine. Edited August 11, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 07:22 PM) At least as confident as I am in Lawrie, which admittedly, isn't supreme. Saladino can play more positions. He's a better player, imo. I'll take a year of the way Hellickson has pitched this year for a year of Lawrie. Give me Sale, Q and 3 Hellickson's and that rotation is fine. Saladino can play more positions than Lawrie, so he's the better player? Where in the world can you say that Saladino is the better player than Lawrie? Laura has been good defensively, hit with power, more experienced, and younger than Saladino. You're definitely wrong about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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