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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 07:38 PM)
Two huge disconnects with this observation:

 

a.) Name one other owner and front office that doesn't want to win and who are not a collective bunch of "very, VERY competitive people"

 

...and...

 

b.) How is "THEIR" way been working out for them? Seen any trips to the postseason lately? At what point do they self assess "THEIR" approach and realize it is a LOSING one, and then change course to try and win in a different way. More of "THEIR" approach will continue to result in more of what we've seen for quite a few years now.

 

Bosley:

 

Not defending it, simply stating what I think. They want to win no question in my mind BUT with self imposed limitations which may or may not be correct given their financial circumstances. (No way to know for sure). The rest such as not wanting to deal with certain agents, not wanting to invest in the minor league system (JR does not like to pay for potential) and not being willing to spend top dollar for managers (JR doesn't think they are that important) are purely self imposed based on ego and a certain amount of arrogance in my view. WE know what we're doing! Not you (the fan...the media...agents, the MLBPA...etc.)

 

I understand part of that given that JR is a self made millionaire who is a very sharp businessman and real estate guy. However all that doesn't make him a brilliant baseball guy.

 

And because of that ego I think they are somewhat blinded by what everyone else seems to see.

 

So if you are thinking he's going to fire Kenny Hahn or tear it down and start over...you've got a long, long, LONG wait ahead of you. Again just my opinion and what sources are telling me.

 

Mark

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QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 06:14 AM)
I have a friend who knows one of the minority owners son who said Reinsdorf has beginning stages of Alzheimer's. Don't know how much of this true, but when is the last time anyone has seen Jerry in public. The past 1 1/2 all you see are email responses from him.

I saw him at a wedding last October, and talked with both him and Michael. Jerry was his normal self.

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QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 06:14 AM)
I have a friend who knows one of the minority owners son who said Reinsdorf has beginning stages of Alzheimer's. Don't know how much of this true, but when is the last time anyone has seen Jerry in public. The past 1 1/2 all you see are email responses from him.

When he got elected to the Basketball HOF a few months ago, he did several interviews included a 30 minute feature on Comcast. Alzheimer's story is BS.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 08:29 AM)
When he got elected to the Basketball HOF a few months ago, he did several interviews included a 30 minute feature on Comcast. Alzheimer's story is BS.

 

Not necessarily true. The poster said early stages. Not sure how much you know about early dementia but I have been working with patients for close to 20 years. Someone who has early dementia can be perfectly lucid in some areas but will have other parts of their daily routine that they struggle with. For example, it is very common for a dementia patient to sit down and work a crossword puzzle or discuss their childhood yet have no clue what they ate for lunch an hour ago. If Jr was able to do a 30 minute feature he most likely would be in a very early stage if he does have the start of dementia.

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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 07:45 AM)
Not necessarily true. The poster said early stages. Not sure how much you know about early dementia but I have been working with patients for close to 20 years. Someone who has early dementia can be perfectly lucid in some areas but will have other parts of their daily routine that they struggle with. For example, it is very common for a dementia patient to sit down and work a crossword puzzle or discuss their childhood yet have no clue what they ate for lunch an hour ago. If Jr was able to do a 30 minute feature he most likely would be in a very early stage if he does have the start of dementia.

Or he could just not have it. These minority partners have no idea how much of the team JR owns. If he had what the claim says he has, they wouldn't know about that either. And he most likely wouldn't be running a baseball team.

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QUOTE (WBWSF @ Aug 12, 2016 -> 03:51 PM)
It was absolutely nuts when JR turned down the City of Chicago offer to build a stadium in the South Loop at Roosevelt + Clark in the mid 1980's. I don't know if that sight would still be available. But a few years ago the Village of Rosemont offered to build a new stadium for the bad guys on the Northside. What happens if Rosemont offers to build a new stadium for the White Sox? I would think the owner of the White Sox would seriously consider it. I would rather have a new stadium in the South Loop. But if that didn't workout, I would rather have a stadium in Rosemont than 35th + Shields.

 

The way the story went, JR wanted the stadium downtown and the city would only give him the deal he wanted if he rebuilt across the street. Thats how Jerry got his sweetheart deal.

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 09:41 AM)
The way the story went, JR wanted the stadium downtown and the city would only give him the deal he wanted if he rebuilt across the street. Thats how Jerry got his sweetheart deal.

 

Correct. Then Mayor Harold Washington insisted on the location across the street according to Sox historian Rich Lindberg.

 

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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 11:40 AM)
Craig Kenney has already publicly stated the Cubs are starting their own network in 2019. I suspect it will net them money we can't even imagine, especially if they reamin one of the best teams in baseball over the next few seasons.

 

Mark

 

I think a lot of that talk is posturing for negotiations. The thought of a Cubs network will drive up the price for CSN or Fox Sports in negotiations, so that the Cubs can get Dodger like money without the risk of not having their games broadcast locally.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 11:27 AM)
I also don't feel like the MLB would be so forgiving of a 120 year old franchise to move cities. Theres no geographic footprint they need to hit. As of now it would basically just be a new owners preference for city. And mlb should work to block that. If they want a new city at this point they should just expand.

 

They were on board with letting the team move to St Pete 30 years ago. The MLB owners are not going to stand in the way of any other owner being able to make money, unless of course it cuts into theirs.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 03:29 PM)
So when they are dying their shares are just going to a trust, but there is no active representative of the original partners interest at their meetings. Is that right?

 

I would wager that JR has been buying them up, and thats why no other partner knows what he owns.

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 10:58 AM)
They were on board with letting the team move to St Pete 30 years ago. The MLB owners are not going to stand in the way of any other owner being able to make money, unless of course it cuts into theirs.

 

Yes. 30 years ago.

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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 12:09 PM)
The Sox are not moving and the idea is absolutely ridiculous. Not only are there franchises with far worse situations (A's & Rays immediately come to mind), but MLB wants to expand in the not too distant future. If someone can name three to four cities out there that are better than a split Chicago, I'd love to hear them. Despite our low ratings today, the potential of the Chicago market is incredible and a new owner would have to be crazy to pass it up to go somewhere like Portland or Vegas.

 

There are definitely markets that have needs for a baseball team.

 

SLC, UT

The Research Triangle, NC

San Antonio, TX

Las Vegas, NV

Indianapolis, IN

 

These markets are all growing at a faster rate than Chicago, and in addition to that have regional sports networks that do not currently have local baseball programming. TV is where the real money is for baseball franchises now, ticket sales are nice, but they are drop in the bucket comparatively.

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:19 PM)
There are definitely markets that have needs for a baseball team.

 

SLC, UT

The Research Triangle, NC

San Antonio, TX

Las Vegas, NV

Indianapolis, IN

 

These markets are all growing at a faster rate than Chicago, and in addition to that have regional sports networks that do not currently have local baseball programming. TV is where the real money is for baseball franchises now, ticket sales are nice, but they are drop in the bucket comparatively.

 

Havana.....................

 

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 11:19 AM)
There are definitely markets that have needs for a baseball team.

 

SLC, UT

The Research Triangle, NC

San Antonio, TX

Las Vegas, NV

Indianapolis, IN

 

These markets are all growing at a faster rate than Chicago, and in addition to that have regional sports networks that do not currently have local baseball programming. TV is where the real money is for baseball franchises now, ticket sales are nice, but they are drop in the bucket comparatively.

Why haven't the Rays or A's moved?

 

People need to get off the notion the White Sox would move. It isn't going to happen.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 11:58 AM)
The Rays are locked in to their stadium lease.

The A's aren't. The White Sox also have a lease.

 

Why would the league let the White Sox move and take away a landing spot for one of the other teams that has less revenue and worth significantly less as a franchise?

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 11:19 AM)
There are definitely markets that have needs for a baseball team.

 

SLC, UT

The Research Triangle, NC

San Antonio, TX

Las Vegas, NV

Indianapolis, IN

 

These markets are all growing at a faster rate than Chicago, and in addition to that have regional sports networks that do not currently have local baseball programming. TV is where the real money is for baseball franchises now, ticket sales are nice, but they are drop in the bucket comparatively.

 

Do you see any of them being able to out produce the money that the Sox make as Chicago's 2nd team? I don't.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 11:57 AM)
People need to get off the notion the White Sox would move. It isn't going to happen.

 

Easy to say if you haven't lived through it, which I know you have.

 

I don't take anything for granted. North Carolina has a ton of money and people. If they could figure out a way to be both a Charlotte AND Raleigh team....

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QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:09 PM)
Easy to say if you haven't lived through it, which I know you have.

 

I don't take anything for granted. North Carolina has a ton of money and people. If they could figure out a way to be both a Charlotte AND Raleigh team....

At worst, the White Sox are a middle of the pack team in value and revenue, even with their dry spell on the field. That isn't a team that gets moved. They will not be moved. It's ridiculous to even think there's a chance. Charlotte and Raliegh combined have less than half the population of Chicago proper. 2 teams there would be a joke.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:00 PM)
The A's aren't. The White Sox also have a lease.

 

Why would the league let the White Sox move and take away a landing spot for one of the other teams that has less revenue and worth significantly less as a franchise?

 

The A's are now, they have been trying to move to San Jose for years.

 

They can let them move because there are multiple locations that could house an MLB team, and if the Sox left, the city may jump back in to try and entice one of those teams to come over.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 12:05 PM)
Do you see any of them being able to out produce the money that the Sox make as Chicago's 2nd team? I don't.

 

I believe so, I think that the TV money they can get in those markets that have zero summer live sports inventory is going to dwarf what they would get as the second team in Chicago, especially if CSN goes in all 162 Cubs games and relegates the SOX to CSN+ or local TV.

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