Thad Bosley Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) Hopefully Kaplan saying the dynamic between Hahn and KW being dysfunctional means Hahn is gone Well, the dynamic between Ozzie and Williams was dysfunctional as well, so what or who is the common thread there? And why does the owner allow these dysfunctional relationships fester the way they seemingly do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:05 PM) Hopefully Kaplan saying the dynamic between Hahn and KW being dysfunctional means Hahn is gone Why does KW escape this? Hahn and Williams should go. Otherwise we'll just be questioning KW's influence like we do now, just with another name Edited August 14, 2016 by Flash Tizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Hehe. Shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Anderson needs to work on his tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 12:09 AM) Why does KW escape this? Hahn and Williams should go. Otherwise we'll just be questioning KW's influence like we do now, just with another name Of course both should go...everyone associated with this dumpster fire should be gone. However I doubt Kenny goes anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:05 PM) Hopefully Kaplan saying the dynamic between Hahn and KW being dysfunctional means Hahn is gone What was said exactly? Is this in a thread somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 https://mobile.twitter.com/thekapman/status...181787597742083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Pitchers duel tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Every poster who praised this trade lost any credibility they may have had. Shields is the worst pitcher the White Sox have ever acquired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Hey congrats to Coats!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Jason Coats with his first major league homer. Nice to see and good for the kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 If Hahn goes then disaster that is KW has to go also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 01:18 AM) Every poster who praised this trade lost any credibility they may have had. Shields is the worst pitcher the White Sox have ever acquired. Prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Would be furious to find out we could have offloaded Shields and Robertson yet inexplicably held onto both. Insane decisions this year on personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 01:24 AM) Would be furious to find out we could have offloaded Shields and Robertson yet inexplicably held onto both. Insane decisions this year on personnel. I can all but guarantee they could have unloaded Robertson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insp Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:25 PM) I can all but guarantee they could have unloaded Robertson Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:22 PM) Prove it I immediately checked Jamie Navarro and found he had a 3.2 fWAR season his first year with the Sox before his advanced stats collapsed and Shields has been worth -0.7 fWAR with the White Sox so far this year while Navarro's worst 2 seasons were -0.6, so Shields is already worse than the acquisition I thought of. Who else should I check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Conley 2-2 off Shields. At least he didn't allow a homer to the pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:22 PM) Prove it He's been bad enough overall that there actually isn't even a debate about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:32 PM) Conley 2-2 off Shields. At least he didn't allow a homer to the pitcher He already has to Bartolo Colon Edited August 14, 2016 by soxforlife05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 12:34 AM) He already has to Bartolo Well aware, that's why I said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 06:18 PM) Every poster who praised this trade lost any credibility they may have had. Shields is the worst pitcher the White Sox have ever acquired. Also every poster who talked about Shields being "fixed" after his fluke run, and everyone who sarcastically dismissed people pointing out his peripherals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 9 of last 13 have reached vs Shields. ERA flying up near 6. Way to go Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:35 PM) Also every poster who talked about Shields being "fixed" after his fluke run, and everyone who sarcastically dismissed people pointing out his peripherals Oh God. Mr Hindsight is back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 12:37 AM) Oh God. Mr Hindsight is back again. People on here were begging Hahn to unload him at the deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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