Ventura says he'd return next year if asked

[COACH612]

Considering how the Sox have done since 2005, is there any downside in having Scioscia?

Let's see.

No playoffs.

Crappy play.

Losing fan base.

Under 500 for several years and counting

 

I don't think so. It couldn't get any worse.

[Chicago White Sox]

I can't believe Robin still has supporters. He's accomplished NOTHING in his tenure here and quite frankly there's no logical defense for keeping him. Thank god the front office finally realizes this and the pointless argument can end.

[Dick Allen]

I can't believe Robin still has supporters. He's accomplished NOTHING in his tenure here and quite frankly there's no logical defense for keeping him. Thank god the front office finally realizes this and the pointless argument can end.

 

He will be gone, but unless you want to give JR, RH, and KW some credit, no one was going to win with the hand Robin was dealt.

[Chicago White Sox]

He will be gone, but unless you want to give JR, RH, and KW some credit, no one was going to win with the hand Robin was dealt.

Robin isn't the only reason for this mess, but there's no doubt he's a contributor. I'd like to see sweeping changes across the organization, but since that's not going to happen, I'll take what I can get and that's Robin being let go.

[lasttriptotulsa]

I can't believe Robin still has supporters. He's accomplished NOTHING in his tenure here and quite frankly there's no logical defense for keeping him. Thank god the front office finally realizes this and the pointless argument can end.

 

I think it's more that many of us aren't so delusional that we think a managerial change is the difference between this team making and missing the postseason.

[Chicago White Sox]

I think it's more that many of us aren't so delusional that we think a managerial change is the difference between this team making and missing the postseason.

What a horrible post. When did anyone ever say Robin was the difference between making & missing the playoffs? Seriously, I guarantee you couldn't provide a single post from this forum stating that, let alone multiple of them. But yup, those of us in favor of firing Robin are the delusional ones.

 

And is that really your argument for keeping Robin? That because Robin isn't worth 9+ games, which is what it would take for us to make the playoffs this season, we should keep him? If so, all I can say is that's some f***ed up logic. If replacing Robin makes us even a single game better, then it's a move worth making. I'm so sick of the same old "managers don't matter" defense for keeping a garbage one. If managers really didn't matter, which is incorrect, then you shouldn't give two s***s if we replace him. At this point in time, there is no defense for keeping him. Maybe a change doesn't add much value, but it simply can't hurt.

[Dick Allen]

What a horrible post. When did anyone ever say Robin was the difference between making & missing the playoffs? Seriously, I guarantee you couldn't provide a single post from this forum stating that, let alone multiple of them. But yup, those of us in favor of firing Robin are the delusional ones.

 

And is that really your argument for keeping Robin? That because Robin isn't worth 9+ games, which is what it would take for us to make the playoffs this season, we should keep him? If so, all I can say is that's some f***ed up logic. If replacing Robin makes us even a single game better, then it's a move worth making. I'm so sick of the same old "managers don't matter" defense for keeping a garbage one. If managers really didn't matter, which is incorrect, then you shouldn't give two s***s if we replace him. At this point in time, there is no defense for keeping him. Maybe a change doesn't add much value, but it simply can't hurt.

You are delusional if you think it suddenly makes this team any better. All he was saying was great fire Robin. The reality is he is the least of the White Sox problems. There are several players you should hope get "fired" before him.

[shipps]

You are delusional if you think it suddenly makes this team any better. All he was saying was great fire Robin. The reality is he is the least of the White Sox problems. There are several players you should hope get "fired" before him.

 

How would you know that? As a fan that doesnt have insight to what goes on behind the scenes I would think the most effective way of judging a manager is by a good sample size of baseball seasons of making or not making the playoffs, to start. Then you see if they have control of the locker room. Players doing what they want or throwing tantrums dont help a managers case.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

How would you know that? As a fan that doesnt have insight to what goes on behind the scenes I would think the most effective way of judging a manager is by a good sample size of baseball seasons of making or not making the playoffs, to start. Then you see if they have control of the locker room. Players doing what they want or throwing tantrums dont help a managers case.

The roster has a lot to do with winning and losing. The reality is most managers who are supposedly great have had some really bad years and it wasn't because they were suddenly stupid. If Robin is a big part of the problem, the roster isn't nearly as bad as many want to make it. Would that be fair?

[Balta1701]

The roster has a lot to do with winning and losing. The reality is most managers who are supposedly great have had some really bad years and it wasn't because they were suddenly stupid. If Robin is a big part of the problem, the roster isn't nearly as bad as many want to make it. Would that be fair?

Given the choice, I'll let Ventura stay and remove Hahn and Williams. However, I think the wisest, most obvious course is to clean house completely. After all, you can't be sure which part is the failed part, they may all have, so just replace the whole thing and you've got a shot at fixing it.

[Dick Allen]

Given the choice, I'll let Ventura stay and remove Hahn and Williams. However, I think the wisest, most obvious course is to clean house completely. After all, you can't be sure which part is the failed part, they may all have, so just replace the whole thing and you've got a shot at fixing it.

That's fine. I do think of the 3, firing Robin makes the least amount of difference. And I am sure he won't be back.

 

It will win over some people, but they will hate the next guy just as much if they don't fix the roster.

 

And from JR's call to Kaplan, it seems Hahn and KW are confirmed for another year.

[shipps]

The roster has a lot to do with winning and losing. The reality is most managers who are supposedly great have had some really bad years and it wasn't because they were suddenly stupid. If Robin is a big part of the problem, the roster isn't nearly as bad as many want to make it. Would that be fair?

 

It would be a fair decision, yes. Robin hasnt had a great year and he has been here a while. They have given him the benefit of the doubt for years now and he has actually had a tenure here as if he has had success (when he hasn't). A lot easier to find out the root of problems by eliminating one you know is part of it than it is to remove the whole team. Its bad all the way around right now but it certainly isnt necessary to be the keep Robin drum.

[lasttriptotulsa]

What a horrible post. When did anyone ever say Robin was the difference between making & missing the playoffs? Seriously, I guarantee you couldn't provide a single post from this forum stating that, let alone multiple of them. But yup, those of us in favor of firing Robin are the delusional ones.

 

And is that really your argument for keeping Robin? That because Robin isn't worth 9+ games, which is what it would take for us to make the playoffs this season, we should keep him? If so, all I can say is that's some f***ed up logic. If replacing Robin makes us even a single game better, then it's a move worth making. I'm so sick of the same old "managers don't matter" defense for keeping a garbage one. If managers really didn't matter, which is incorrect, then you shouldn't give two s***s if we replace him. At this point in time, there is no defense for keeping him. Maybe a change doesn't add much value, but it simply can't hurt.

 

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning? Where did I say to keep Robin? Four straight losing seasons, yea he probably should get fired. Many poster seem to think that a new manager is just going to magically make the team better. The fact of the matter is that Robin has been given very flawed teams and yet is expected to make chicken salad out of chicken s***.

 

You are delusional if you think it suddenly makes this team any better. All he was saying was great fire Robin. The reality is he is the least of the White Sox problems. There are several players you should hope get "fired" before him.

 

This. 100%

[Lip Man 1]

Would love to have Scioscia or Showalter for that matter. Long shots at best though.

 

Mark

[Chicago White Sox]

You are delusional if you think it suddenly makes this team any better. All he was saying was great fire Robin. The reality is he is the least of the White Sox problems. There are several players you should hope get "fired" before him.

Firing Robin is very likely to make our team better, because he is a horrible manager and it would be hard to hire anyone worse. Also, he may be the "least" of our problems, but he's still a problem and one that can easily be addressed. Maybe his replacement is only worth a win or two over a 162 game season, but last time I checked every win counts when trying to make the playoffs. The idea that we shouldnt replace our manager (whose contract ends at the end of the season no less) because the impact is small relative to other potential changes (players, front office, etc) is beyond ridiculous. These changes aren't mutually exclusive and in a perfect world they'd all be made. Having said, Robin needs to replaced at season's end regardless of what happens with KW & Hahn or the roster. Again, there is simply no logical argument for keeping him.

[GreenSox]

I take it all back.

He's back to playing for 1 run, knowing Beck is coming in.

Indicates limited understanding and ability.

 

Sadly, though, there are greater problems.

 

And on edit, after Ventura makes the affirmative decision to play for one run in the 7th, the Sox, unsurprisingly, lose by 1 run.

Edited August 19, 2016 by GreenSox

[harkness99]

Robin leads the league in conceding losses the last 4 seasons.

 

He does have a pile of dung to throw out there... but he doesn't help himself either.

[greg775]

Robin leads the league in conceding losses the last 4 seasons.

 

He does have a pile of dung to throw out there... but he doesn't help himself either.

Amen, brother. I endorse your post.

[Lip Man 1]

Firing Robin is very likely to make our team better, because he is a horrible manager and it would be hard to hire anyone worse. Also, he may be the "least" of our problems, but he's still a problem and one that can easily be addressed. Maybe his replacement is only worth a win or two over a 162 game season, but last time I checked every win counts when trying to make the playoffs. The idea that we shouldnt replace our manager (whose contract ends at the end of the season no less) because the impact is small relative to other potential changes (players, front office, etc) is beyond ridiculous. These changes aren't mutually exclusive and in a perfect world they'd all be made. Having said, Robin needs to replaced at season's end regardless of what happens with KW & Hahn or the roster. Again, there is simply no logical argument for keeping him.

 

Agreed. With as many issues as this organization has you've got to start somewhere.

 

Mark

 

[COACH612]

I take it all back.

He's back to playing for 1 run, knowing Beck is coming in.

Indicates limited understanding and ability.

 

Sadly, though, there are greater problems.

 

And on edit, after Ventura makes the affirmative decision to play for one run in the 7th, the Sox, unsurprisingly, lose by 1 run.

 

 

Did not see the game last night. What happened?