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[greg775]

Hey, I'm stoked about Anderson. Hanging in there at .277. I like it.

Also, congrats Q!! I have a question. When we have a starter go seven innings, we usually win! Are there any stats to back this up? I really hope next year we keep the rotation intact, cept for Shields, and we stress to our pitchers they just gotta go seven innings minimum. Seriously.

[bmags]

Didn't see the game. Unshocking to see Q dominate

[3GamesToLove]

I think in most cases, if a team has a starter go 7 or more innings, it's obviously more likely that they'll win.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Didn't see the game. Unshocking to see Q dominate

 

Obviously Chris Sale has better stuff, but I've been beginning to wonder whether or not Q is the better pitcher. At least post-ASG i've been much more confident with Q on the mound

[bmags]

Obviously Chris Sale has better stuff, but I've been beginning to wonder whether or not Q is the better pitcher. At least post-ASG i've been much more confident with Q on the mound

 

Q seems to have figured out innings 5-7 now, and how to get out of those jams. Agree in the confidence in him now.

[Dick Allen]

Sox score 3 in the first, then they remembered Q was pitchings, so only 1 more run. Shuck made a couple of really great catches, or it could have been a different story. Nice job by Q though. It is amazing how consistently good he is, and with such little fanfare.

[Bob Sacamano]

Q seems to have figured out innings 5-7 now, and how to get out of those jams. Agree in the confidence in him now.

 

He reminds me of Buehrle. Quietly goes about his business, will give you 200+ innings without overpowering stuff.

Edited August 22, 2016 by soxfan2014

[Y2Jimmy0]

He reminds me of Buehrle. Quietly goes about his business, will give you 200+ innings without overpowering stuff.

 

 

His stuff is overpowering compared to Buehrle's though.

[bmags]

He is 4th in ERA, and above him is Duffy/Fulmer. While fulmer is fantastic, he has not pitched for that many innings this year (and may start to fatigue). Hamels has star power above him though, and a winning team.

 

Here's to Q tortoise-hare'ing the race. Top 5 era, top 5 whip.

[southsider2k5]

He is 4th in ERA, and above him is Duffy/Fulmer. While fulmer is fantastic, he has not pitched for that many innings this year (and may start to fatigue). Hamels has star power above him though, and a winning team.

 

Here's to Q tortoise-hare'ing the race. Top 5 era, top 5 whip.

 

With a little bit of luck, he can be right in the middle of the race.

[harkness99]

if somehow we could have a two man rotation with sale and Quintana...

[kitekrazy]

if somehow we could have a two man rotation with sale and Quintana...

 

Guys you build around and not trade. Gonazales was doing fine until injury. You have 3 starters and two of them among the best in baseball.

[Bananarchy]

Guys you build around and not trade. Gonazales was doing fine until injury. You have 3 starters and two of them among the best in baseball.

And a completely empty lineup and farm system. Sorry, the White Sox don't have the luxury of keeping two guys with that with how far they are up s*** creek.

[greg775]

I think in most cases, if a team has a starter go 7 or more innings, it's obviously more likely that they'll win.

Maybe.

But you guys can't deny our bullpen is simply INCAPABLE of covering the 7th, 8th and 9th. If our starter gets to the eighth, and Robin isn't having a bad day, our pen has I'd say an 80 percent chance of covering the 8th and 9th. If our starter goes six, forget it. We're losing. If they actually could get him one or two GOOD non closers to go with the closer, we might have a chance to make the playoffs some year.

As it stands now, no chance.

Edited August 23, 2016 by greg775

[lasttriptotulsa]

Maybe.

But you guys can't deny our bullpen is simply INCAPABLE of covering the 7th, 8th and 9th. If our starter gets to the eighth, and Robin isn't having a bad day, our pen has I'd say an 80 percent chance of covering the 8th and 9th. If our starter goes six, forget it. We're losing. If they actually could get him one or two GOOD non closers to go with the closer, we might have a chance to make the playoffs some year.

As it stands now, no chance.

 

Aside from Robertson, our next three best reliever this year are Nate Jones (2.50 ERA), Dan Jennings (1.79 ERA) and the departed Zach Duke (2.63 ERA). The back end of the bullpen is fine. The biggest problem with the pen was the losses of Putnam and Petricka and Albers falling flat on his face coming off his dominating stretch. Had Putnam and Petricka not gotten hurt our bullpen would be fine. I'm not saying we would have been good enough to make the playoffs but we would have been better. Overall the pen has a 3.76 ERA which is better than our starters and is not too bad considering some of the guys we've had to call up to make up for injuries.

[southsider2k5]

The big problem we have had this year is so many short starts by starters forcing extremely long bullpen outings, which fries our pen for long periods of time. Post injuries to Putnam and Petricka, we have also forced our top guys to throw more often, and longer than usual.

 

For example, Nate Jones has at least 17 appearances where he has appeared more than one IP out of the 58 times he has pitched. 6 of his last 13 appearances have been >1 IP. You want to know why Nate Jones hasn't been sharp? There you go.

[Kyyle23]

Someone please make a gamethread today so i dont have to see Insp whine about it again

[caulfield12]

The big problem we have had this year is so many short starts by starters forcing extremely long bullpen outings, which fries our pen for long periods of time. Post injuries to Putnam and Petricka, we have also forced our top guys to throw more often, and longer than usual.

 

For example, Nate Jones has at least 17 appearances where he has appeared more than one IP out of the 58 times he has pitched. 6 of his last 13 appearances have been >1 IP. You want to know why Nate Jones hasn't been sharp? There you go.

 

The 2012 team found a way around that problem by bringing up 10+ rookies.

 

Needless to say, this year's rookie class has come up woefully short and/or has failed to gain the trust of Ventura. We've gone a full year and still haven't produced one reliable pen arm, with the possible exception of Burdi.

 

Duke, Jennings, Ynoa, Kahnle, Putnam, Turner, Ranaudo, etc., all came from other organizations. Danish, Beck and Fulmer all have struggled mightily. Montas would have been very helpful there.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

The 2012 team found a way around that problem by bringing up 10+ rookies.

 

Needless to say, this year's rookie class has come up woefully short and/or has failed to gain the trust of Ventura. We've gone a full year and still haven't produced one reliable pen arm, with the possible exception of Burdi.

 

Duke, Jennings, Ynoa, Kahnle, Putnam, Turner, Ranaudo, etc., all came from other organizations. Danish, Beck and Fulmer all have struggled mightily. Montas would have been very helpful there.

 

Montas would have helped a ton this year. What idiots for getting rid of him. He's had an unbelievable year.

[caulfield12]

Montas would have helped a ton this year. What idiots for getting rid of him. He's had an unbelievable year.

 

Hahn should get a prize for selling damaged goods?

 

It's not like Frazier has led us to the playoffs. Marcus Semien has put up similar numbers at a tougher position for a fraction of the cost.

 

And it's not even 100% a sure thing we will offer him a QO after next season if he hits below .200.

[Dick Allen]

Hahn should get a prize for selling damaged goods?

 

It's not like Frazier has led us to the playoffs. Marcus Semien has put up similar numbers at a tougher position for a fraction of the cost.

 

And it's not even 100% a sure thing we will offer him a QO after next season if he hits below .200.

You said Montas would have been very helpful. You love to make stuff up. He probably can't even help carry equipment. Semien was a trade that had to be made. Your words.

 

 

Just clarify how Montas would have been helpful this year. The answer isn't Marcus Semien or Ubaldo Jimenez or Gordon Beckham or Robin Ventura is a HOF manager. You just blasted KW for mentioning a couple of bullpen pieces that got hurt. Now you are saying a guy who has been hurt all year would have been very helpful if they had not traded him. Make sense of it.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

You said Montas would have been very helpful. You love to make stuff up. He probably can't even help carry equipment. Semien was a trade that had to be made. Your words.

 

 

Just clarify how Montas would have been helpful this year. The answer isn't Marcus Semien or Ubaldo Jimenez or Gordon Beckham or Robin Ventura is a HOF manager. You just blasted KW for mentioning a couple of bullpen pieces that got hurt. Now you are saying a guy who has been hurt all year would have been very helpful if they had not traded him. Make sense of it.

 

So now you're assuming his season would have unfolded exactly the same way under Herm Schneider?

How can you know that? Why didn't the Dodgers when they did his physical?

 

At any rate, you're much more entertaining when you point out how terrible Danny Duffy is or how Brandon Finnegan should be banished to the bullpen (with a similar stat line to Carlos Rodon), so of course he gives up zero runs in his last start and Duffy's another month away from pushing into the Cy Young Top 5.

 

Greg-like.

[Dick Allen]

So now you're assuming his season would have unfolded exactly the same way under Herm Schneider?

How can you know that? Why didn't the Dodgers when they did his physical?

 

At any rate, you're much more entertaining when you point out how terrible Danny Duffy is or how Brandon Finnegan should be banished to the bullpen (with a similar stat line to Carlos Rodon), so of course he gives up zero runs in his last start and Duffy's another month away from pushing into the Cy Young Top 5.

 

Greg-like.

 

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb...cided/88642126/

The Reds are the ones thinking Finnegan to the bullpen. He had a nice game against the tough SD line up, buthis numbers are still garbage. Duffy is doing well, but advanced stats would indicate he's been pretty lucky. BAA not very impressive. High strand rate.

 

It's amazing you would bash Greg, one of the very few who buy anything you post. But while you are bashing others , just remember what you wrote, Frankie Montas would have been very helpful this season had the White Sox not traded him. That's one of the more ridiculous things you have written. And there have been more than 100 real doozies. The Finnegan/Rodon comparison is gold just don't look at their WARs.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Dick Allen

[southsider2k5]

The 2012 team found a way around that problem by bringing up 10+ rookies.

 

Needless to say, this year's rookie class has come up woefully short and/or has failed to gain the trust of Ventura. We've gone a full year and still haven't produced one reliable pen arm, with the possible exception of Burdi.

 

Duke, Jennings, Ynoa, Kahnle, Putnam, Turner, Ranaudo, etc., all came from other organizations. Danish, Beck and Fulmer all have struggled mightily. Montas would have been very helpful there.

 

The 2012 White Sox used 25 pitchers over the course of the entire season. This team has already used 26, and we haven't hit the September call ups yet. 21 pitchers this year have thrown 10 or more innings at the major league level. 2012 was only 19, again, we still have about 5-6 weeks of baseball to go this year.