Ducksnort Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Heading into next season, the rotation currently looks like Quintana, Sale, Rodon, Shields, TBA (I deliberately put Q first, he should start opening day imo). Okay, so what do you do with Shields? If the front office wants to contend next year, there is no way they keep him. Do what do you do with him? His contract still has him under control for a couple years, and you aren't going to get any value for him. Should they release him and eat his contract? That means they need to find 2 starting pitchers. Maybe Gonzalez gets that 5th starter slot, or maybe 4th depending on who they pick up. Obviously, I think most of us would agree that the rotation should be the least of the off season concerns, but it will be interesting to see who they get to fill in that 5 hole... Because no way in hell is Shields coming back unless they go fill rebuild, which lbh isn't happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Release him. Eat the money (unless somebody agrees to take him off our hands and we can trade him). Don't let him pitch another inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He Gawn Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Scoots @ Sep 5, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) I deliberately put Q first, he should start opening day imo Statistics disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (He Gawn @ Sep 5, 2016 -> 10:27 PM) Statistics disagree. To be fair, there are many 2016 statistics that you can use to argue either side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 The Sox won't be releasing him (yet) for two reasons first off: 1. He's owed a s*** load of money. 2. JR doesn't like to pay people that amount to NOT work (even if they suck). Releasing him would be the largest amount ever eaten by the franchise if memory serves. Why do you think they hung on to Dunn two years longer before letting him go? (Answer: money owed...), or Danks (Answer: money owed) The bottom line is short of a front office change, Shields isn't going anywhere unless he retires himself. Also don't underestimate the fact that if Kenny Hahn releases him with all that money owed it's like sending up an exploding rocket signaling how bad of a judgment they have in these matters. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 5, 2016 -> 08:39 PM) Why do you think they hung on to Dunn two years longer before letting him go? (Answer: money owed...) Because Dunn was an acceptable DH over the final 3 years of the deal. .773 OPS, averaged 32 home runs per year, and was even better than that when they got around to platooning him. And they didn't let him go, they traded him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 03:39 AM) The Sox won't be releasing him (yet) for two reasons first off: 1. He's owed a s*** load of money. 2. JR doesn't like to pay people that amount to NOT work (even if they suck). Releasing him would be the largest amount ever eaten by the franchise if memory serves. Why do you think they hung on to Dunn two years longer before letting him go? (Answer: money owed...), or Danks (Answer: money owed) The bottom line is short of a front office change, Shields isn't going anywhere unless he retires himself. Also don't underestimate the fact that if Kenny Hahn releases him with all that money owed it's like sending up an exploding rocket signaling how bad of a judgment they have in these matters. Mark Well, if he insists on not retiring, our only option is to make him the new Albers. Hope he can get a few guys out now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 How much is left on Shields deal after this season, and what do the White Sox owe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (spiderman @ Sep 5, 2016 -> 11:16 PM) How much is left on Shields deal after this season, and what do the White Sox owe? Roughly $40M and we owe $20M. Seems unlikely he would retire and pass up on that much money, but you never know if he keeps performing like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 $22 million with the buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 5, 2016 -> 11:31 PM) Roughly $40M and we owe $20M. Seems unlikely he would retire and pass up on that much money, but you never know if he keeps performing like this. Does he have 2 years left after this season? Is that ~20M over 2 years or is another 1-2M still owed this season? Tough to see the White Sox releasing him, but if they're truly all in, this is the type of move a team would make to get from under a pitcher who is clearly pitching on borrowed time. I still think it's more likely he'll be the #5 starter, and we're hear all about the adjustments that were made next spring training, but I wouldn't rule out that the White Sox would release him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 What does the team gain by releasing him now and not seeing what he has in spring training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 06:23 AM) What does the team gain by releasing him now and not seeing what he has in spring training? Nothing really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Unless you wanted to place more pressure on Fulmer and Gonzalez to a lesser extent, not much at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 He's on the team for next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH612 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) He's on the team for next year! Then the Sox better load up on baseballs since many of his pitches go into the bleachers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Newspapers today reporting Sox are considering shutting Shields down for the rest of the season. Supposedly because of a back issue. That certainly could be a part of it as is the possibility that if they keep pitching him he could lose 20 games this year. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) Newspapers today reporting Sox are considering shutting Shields down for the rest of the season. Supposedly because of a back issue. That certainly could be a part of it as is the possibility that if they keep pitching him he could lose 20 games this year. Mark Chris Archer might lose 20 games and lead the league in strikeouts. If he had 19 losses would they shut him down? As for Shields, it would be nice if he could have a start or 2 and look decent before the winter. But shutting him down makes sense too, as he is just embarrassing himself at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) Newspapers today reporting Sox are considering shutting Shields down for the rest of the season. Supposedly because of a back issue. That certainly could be a part of it as is the possibility that if they keep pitching him he could lose 20 games this year. Mark That's a bummer. Shields losing 20 games is one of the few things left to root for this season. Keep throwing him out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Shields is toast, but maybe giving him an extra month to rest will rejuvenate his arm a bit. At least that's what I'm hoping for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 06:23 AM) What does the team gain by releasing him now and not seeing what he has in spring training? ... or in the pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Shields with apparent back problems. Is this a possible reason for such a bad season save for a month or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) Shields with apparent back problems. Is this a possible reason for such a bad season save for a month or so? Sad because he had some solid years in Tampa. Maybe he left his fastball there......... "Maybe Shields’ back really is bothering him, but this is what it would sound like even if he were 100 percent, because his South Side tenure has been the worst run in the history of White Sox starting pitching. He has no precedents when it comes to ERA (7.50), ERA+ (54) or home run rate (2.8 per nine innings), all of which are easily the worst in franchise history for a guy with at least 80 innings. Throw in a realistic bid at 20 losses, and further starts would be inhumane — more so for the fans, but for Shields, too, I guess. It looks more like a mercy flush than an injury, but those aren’t mutually exclusive outcomes, and it’s all the same in the end, anyway." http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/9/6/12812...ember-auditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 @MLBBruceLevine White Sox starter James Shields declared himself healthy and ready to pitch Saturday. Shields had back discomfort and missed a start @scottmerkin Shields' back checked out ok. He is on target to start Saturday. So my weekend guess would be: Rodon, Shields, Sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I have always thought Shields was hurt. The latest with his back problems bears that out. If he can get healthy he may be a good.4th or 5th starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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