Bob Sacamano Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) The Cy Young Award is for the regular season. I'm in the group that says post-season should count. Its definitely a variable people consider when voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 05:53 PM) I'm in the group that says post-season should count. Its definitely a variable people consider when voting. I believe that's unfair for pitchers on non-playoff teams. A starter could theoretically go 34-0 but if the rest of the team sucks, he misses the playoffs. That's not his fault. Sale is the closest example to that scenario over the past 5 years. Him pitching even better would not have made us a playoff team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 05:57 PM) I believe that's unfair for pitchers on non-playoff teams. A starter could theoretically go 34-0 but if the rest of the team sucks, he misses the playoffs. That's not his fault. Sale is the closest example to that scenario over the past 5 years. Him pitching even better would not have made us a playoff team. So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would. Edited September 28, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would. Sure they will, I'm just saying that's not fair to guys like Sale. He had nothing to do with us missing the playoffs, at least performance-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) I'm in the group that says post-season should count. Its definitely a variable people consider when voting. The reason post season play does not count is because it should not count. Never has. There are post season awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would. Isn't the voting done before the postseason begins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) Isn't the voting done before the postseason begins? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would. Voting is done between the regular season and the postseason.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 12:04 AM) Voting is done between the regular season and the postseason.... Which is one day unless there is a tie for a spot, then there could be no days between. Edited September 29, 2016 by Leonard Zelig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 12:34 AM) Which is one day unless there is a tie for a spot, then there could be no days between. I didn't say it was done the "day" between, just between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 01:05 AM) I didn't say it was done the "day" between, just between. And "between" is only one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) @keithlaw Zach Britton faced Pillar, Barney, Navarro. This is another reason making a one-inning closer Cy Young is just silly. Turn a lineup over. Got to agree with Keith here, pitching only one inning at a time means closers often miss facing good hitters. Plus, a lot of the elite starting pitchers could at least come close to what Britton is doing but the reverse isn't true. Edited September 29, 2016 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Is Sale going to make his last start? That could change his place in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 10:07 AM) Is Sale going to make his last start? That could change his place in the standings. Even if he does I bet most guys have their votes already in by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 09:57 AM) @keithlaw Zach Britton faced Pillar, Barney, Navarro. This is another reason making a one-inning closer Cy Young is just silly. Turn a lineup over. Got to agree with Keith here, pitching only one inning at a time means closers often miss facing good hitters. Plus, a lot of the elite starting pitchers could at least come close to what Britton is doing but the reverse isn't true. How many scoreless inning has Sale had this year? A bit reductive, I know, but this Britton for cy young thing is so ridiculous. It happens every year there is no clear cut winner ->give it to the novelty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) Even if he does I bet most guys have their votes already in by then. You're probably right, but if he goes out and throws a shutout, or conversely, gets rocked, his ranking will probably change. I really think Porcello will win, even though Sale and even Verlander and Kluber are just as deserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 If they changed the rules that it has to be a pitcher with at least 180 innings, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Then they could make a bigger deal for Reliever of the Year. That would be a good thing to do. But I think in a year where no starter has an ERA under 3, and Britton is perfect in save opportunities for a contending team, with a 0.55 ERA, and an 809 ERA+, I would vote for him. He deserves it under the current rules, and even a lot of advanced stat people agree. It seems like some are trying to make a case for Sale because he's "our guy". Even if it were just for starting pitchers, I doubt Sale would crack the top 3 right now, but I'd like to look at it more closely Sunday night when it's all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) If they changed the rules that it has to be a pitcher with at least 180 innings, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Then they could make a bigger deal for Reliever of the Year. That would be a good thing to do. But I think in a year where no starter has an ERA under 3, and Britton is perfect in save opportunities for a contending team, with a 0.55 ERA, and an 809 ERA+, I would vote for him. He deserves it under the current rules, and even a lot of advanced stat people agree. It seems like some are trying to make a case for Sale because he's "our guy". Even if it were just for starting pitchers, I doubt Sale would crack the top 3 right now, but I'd like to look at it more closely Sunday night when it's all over. Besides Porcello, Verlander, and Kluber, which AL starters have an argument that they've had a better year than Sale? I don't think he finishes worse than 5th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 10:39 AM) Besides Porcello, Verlander, and Kluber, which AL starters have an argument that they've had a better year than Sale? I don't think he finishes worse than 5th. I agree. 5th. Britton, some order of the three you mentioned, then Sale. That's what I think right now, but could change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I don't think relievers should ever win the Cy Young anymore. It was one thing when they would pitch 100 innings a year but in this day and age where they throw 60-70 innings they are just not deserving. Give Britton the Mariano Rivera award and be done with it. To say that Britton has been a better pitcher this year than Sale, Kluber, Porcello, etc when he pitches one inning every couple days is an insult to what those guys accomplished in over 3 times as many innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/ken-ros...b-awards-093016 I don't care who wins as long as it's a starter. This Britton talk is proving this award is chosen by outdated minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Both Heyman and Rosenthal support Britton for Cy Young, but if they can justify Britton despite his lack of innings how do they both not vote for Kershaw in the NL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 30, 2016 -> 12:52 PM) Both Heyman and Rosenthal support Britton for Cy Young, but if they can justify Britton despite his lack of innings how do they both not vote for Kershaw in the NL? Especially since Kershaw actually leads the NL in fWAR despite only throwing 140 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 30, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) Especially since Kershaw actually leads the NL in fWAR despite only throwing 140 innings. Sale leads the AL in fWAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 30, 2016 -> 12:47 PM) Sale leads the AL in fWAR And bWAR? Jose Fernandez is ahead in one of those, but something like 6th-8th for the other. Regardless, Sale isn't going to finish Top 3 and Q will be lucky to sneak into the Top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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