flavum Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) Whoever they decide on, I really hope it's a full cleanse of the coaching staff. The message is stale and they need a lot of new life in there. Coop has run his course, teaching every pitcher a cutter isn't innovative. I haven't seem big improvement from any Sox pitchers in awhile. Agree there. I'm much more interested in what they'll do with Cooper than who the new manager is going to be. I have no idea how the next manager will be, and can already anticipate annoying posts about "this is what you wanted". But as far as Coop, he's had some successes, but it's time for a fresh start. I hope they have a brand new major league staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Here's my question... Is this Don Cooper's last season with the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I think it will be Bud Black and I actually think that would be a quality hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 12:40 PM) This is just whispers so don't take it to the bank but apparently the coaches, other than Coop surprisingly, were acting as if they were on the way out at a Sox charity golf outing a few weeks ago. Steverson specifically. My only concern with hiring Renteria is that he might be averse to getting rid of Coop if he is offered the manager position. I dont see there being any big shift in attitude in the locker room if this staff isn't wiped clean. Judging by this comment, Coop obviously has gotten comfortable in his place in this organization. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of hiring Black. Former pitcher that emphasizes pitching and can bring a great pitching coach in Balsley, fan of analytics, strong emphasis on clubhouse chemistry, players like him, bad W%, but I think that's largely because the Padres are a f***ing mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) Here's my question... Is this Don Cooper's last season with the Sox? At this point, pretty sure Coop would have to murder someone on the mound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) At this point, pretty sure Coop would have to murder someone on the mound. Or Sale murdering him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I said this in the cubs thread a couple of months back but I think it will be Chris Bosio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) I think it will be Bud Black and I actually think that would be a quality hire. I would love Bud Black. Option #1 for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Chris Bosio. That would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The guy that I have been championing for a long time is Gabe Kapler. Former player, managerial experience, well versed in the metrics, works in player development, understudy of Theo/Maddon/Friedman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 My guess is that it'd be Renteria. He has managerial experience, he knows the players, he knows the organization, he speaks Spanish, and my understanding is that the Cubs only parted ways with him because Maddon was available. I figured that was the reason they hired Renteria as bench coach in the first place. I'm not understanding the comments about Cooper. Does he want to leave, or is he rubbing the wrong people the wrong way? His results don't seem to be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) My guess is that it'd be Renteria. He has managerial experience, he knows the players, he knows the organization, he speaks Spanish, and my understanding is that the Cubs only parted ways with him because Maddon was available. I figured that was the reason they hired Renteria as bench coach in the first place. I'm not understanding the comments about Cooper. Does he want to leave, or is he rubbing the wrong people the wrong way? His results don't seem to be a problem. It's not like he's a bad pitching coach, but my feeling is if they're going to change the clubhouse and the leadership, start fresh. We all know Cooper is the manager of the pitching staff...and that could be a part of the current problem. Clean house. Start fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) It's not like he's a bad pitching coach, but my feeling is if they're going to change the clubhouse and the leadership, start fresh. We all know Cooper is the manager of the pitching staff...and that could be a part of the current problem. Clean house. Start fresh. Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Coop is the one clear-cut positive on the coaching staff right now. Even with a mid-season bullpen implosion, the Sox are (likely) going to still allow less than 700 runs this season. That's pretty impressive for a team with a disaster #5 starter, no reliable 7th inning reliever, no true LOOGY, and a closer having a below-average year. The Sox have not had anything close to a bad pitching staff since 2007. Edited September 21, 2016 by Black_Jack29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) Why throw the baby out with the bath water? Coop is the one clear-cut positive on the coaching staff right now. Even with a mid-season bullpen implosion, the Sox are (likely) going to still allow less than 700 runs this season. That's pretty impressive for a team with a disaster #5 starter, no reliable 7th inning reliever, no true LOOGY, and a closer having a below-average year. It's a gamble I hope they make. My hope is the new manager has a stronger grasp on what he wants to do with the pitching staff himself. If Cooper isn't calling the shots like he's used to, there could be some problems. We'll see what happens on October 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) It's a gamble I hope they make. My hope is the new manager has a stronger grasp on what he wants to do with the pitching staff himself. If Cooper isn't calling the shots like he's used to, there could be some problems. We'll see what happens on October 3rd. I guarantee you that whoever they'd get to replace Cooper would be a downgrade. If JR is smart, he'll let Coop continue to do his thing and fill out the rest of the coaching staff with people who can improve offensive output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I love listening to Konerko talk about baseball. But I doubt they will go that direction again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) I guarantee you that whoever they'd get to replace Cooper would be a downgrade. If JR is smart, he'll let Coop continue to do his thing and fill out the rest of the coaching staff with people who can improve offensive output. How can you guarantee that? You have absolutely no idea who they are interested in and who would replace him. Who has Coop developed lately? Who has taken the next step? Unless I'm mistaken, Coop is still calling the games and some of the gameplans I've watched this season have been absolutely atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 How can you guarantee that? You have absolutely no idea who they are interested in and who would replace him. Who has Coop developed lately? Who has taken the next step? Unless I'm mistaken, Coop is still calling the games and some of the gameplans I've watched this season have been absolutely atrocious. Yep and I'm with ya here. It's not clear that Cooper is still an asset. The Sox haven't had the depth of pitching they enjoyed through most of his tenure, not even close really, the past two seasons. It used to be that Cooper was on the regular finding guys like Thornton, Santos, etc and turning them into quality assets. Now he's "finding" guys like Latos, Albers, Shields and others and more often than not they are mediocre at best and downright awful other times. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he's not untouchable by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) How can you guarantee that? You have absolutely no idea who they are interested in and who would replace him. Who has Coop developed lately? Who has taken the next step? Seriously? By my count, among the current roster, Coop gets credit for developing Sale, Quintana, Rodon, and Nate Jones. And if we want to go back a little bit further, you can include Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, and Jenks. And then he got some really nice shorter-term results out of Loaiza, Garland, Contreras, and several others. You'll be hard-pressed to find a better active pitching coach than Cooper. Unless I'm mistaken, Coop is still calling the games and some of the gameplans I've watched this season have been absolutely atrocious. It's the fourth week of September and the Sox have only give up about 670 runs (for reference, the Sox gave up 645 runs in 2005). What's been "atrocious" has been the Sox's offense, not their pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) Seriously? By my count, among the current roster, Coop gets credit for developing Sale, Quintana, Rodon, and Nate Jones. And if we want to go back a little bit further, you can include Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, and Jenks. And then he got some really nice shorter-term results out of Loaiza, Garland, Contreras, and several others. You'll be hard-pressed to find a better active pitching coach than Cooper. It's the fourth week of September and the Sox have only give up about 670 runs (for reference, the Sox gave up 645 runs in 2005). What's been "atrocious" has been the Sox's offense, not their pitching. Hell, Miguel Gonzalez. Putnam. Petricka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) Renteria seems highly thought of by many in baseball. Solid communicator who is bi-lingual, which is an advantage. wouldn't be that expensive. Considering how long Dave Martinez has been rumored to be a guy that SOMEBODY would hire and it has never happened, i wonder if he has some baggage or red flags. Alomar has the ex-Sox qualification that seems to matter, but he was only with the team a few seasons and not a homegrown guy. Bud Black had a run (two winning seasons in 8 1/2 years at SD) and not won much (although that was also once said about Joe Torre). I'd like to see them go outside the box and find somebody Beyond that group of names. What about Torey Lovello, Red Sox bench coach, John Russell, Orioles bench coach or Steve Buechele, Rangers' bench coach and a Stanford guy? Raul Ibanez is another guy that many people tout -- along with Gabe Kapler. Edited September 21, 2016 by winninguglyin83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Can it please be Steve Buscemi, John Travolta, or Garth Brooks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) I don't think there's any chance that it's Renteria. I just feel like they would have had him take over this season if it were going to be him. Rumor was that he didn't want to take over midseason. He didn't want to do that to Ventura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) I think they'll hire an Hispanic that speaks Spanish. Hopefully someone with major league coaching or minor league managing experience to a 3-year deal. That's a good point. With the number of Latino players in MLB today, a bilingual manager could be a plus. Martinez and Alomar both have MLB coaching experience; and they're both outsiders who meet that "former player" prerequisite that seems to matter to this organization these days (though I could personally care less about that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I may be done with baseball if it's Buddy Bell. I think it'll be Renteria though. My choices ... a.) La Russa. b.) Leyland. c.) Whoever Maddon's bench coach is with the Cubs. d.) Gene Lamont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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