USA Today: White Sox Will Retain Robin Ventura, If He Wants to Return

[Lip Man 1]

Uh, yeah, that's it. Ticket revenue doesn't matter when running a sports franchise.

 

It still has some meaning but simply not as much as before the billion dollar TV deals and the myriad ways MLB is producing revenue through non traditional streams.

 

MLB is now in the NFL's ballpark when it comes to generated income.

 

To say nothing of the lease agreement which in some strange ways actually makes it better for the Sox to not draw well since then they don't have to chip in for maintenance fees to the state of Illinois.

 

Mark

Edited September 29, 2016 by Lip Man 1

[Balta1701]

No they are not. But cherry pick stories and embellish to try to fit your narrative. Explain this quote if everything is A-OK

 

"We're mired in mediocrity," Hahn said. "That's not the goal. That's not acceptable. … The goal was to put ourselves in a situation to win a championship, and (being) stuck at .500 or around .500 doesn't do that.

 

 

"We may well have to adjust and take a longer-term view and take a different approach going forward."

And I'll start believing it when they do something along those lines.

 

Let's look for evidence that they're actually willing to do that, to look longer-term. Bringing back a manager on a 1 year deal when the fanbase has turned against him would be the exact opposite of a "longer-term view", wouldn't you agree? A "longer-term view" would mean you'd want a coaching staff in place that you could expect would be there in 3-4 years even if things continue to go wrong. Are they going to give Ventura a 3+ year deal again? Are you ok with keeping the same pitching coach for the next 3-4 years?

[Dick Allen]

And I'll start believing it when they do something along those lines.

 

Let's look for evidence that they're actually willing to do that, to look longer-term. Bringing back a manager on a 1 year deal when the fanbase has turned against him would be the exact opposite of a "longer-term view", wouldn't you agree? A "longer-term view" would mean you'd want a coaching staff in place that you could expect would be there in 3-4 years even if things continue to go wrong. Are they going to give Ventura a 3+ year deal again? Are you ok with keeping the same pitching coach for the next 3-4 years?

Yeah, they should do what the fanbase says.

 

LMAO.

 

No one here had a blueprint to a championship last winter.

 

The fanbase got what they wanted in 1986 when Hawk launched LaRussa. Then years later they caulfielded and couldn't believe anyone could be such a dumbass and fire him.

 

 

If somehow, and I really don't know how, they can stack their roster, Robin will become a lot smarter.

[Black_Jack29]

It still has some meaning but simply not as much as before the billion dollar TV deals and the myriad ways MLB is producing revenue through non traditional streams.

 

MLB is now in the NFL's ballpark when it comes to generated income.

 

To say nothing of the lease agreement which in some strange ways actually makes it better for the Sox to not draw well since then they don't have to chip in for maintenance fees to the state of Illinois.

 

Mark

 

Except that the Sox don't have a sweetheart TV deal like the Yankees and probably won't any time soon because their ratings suck. MLB is nowhere near where the NFL is in terms of TV/streaming money right now, and those 81 games of ticket/parking/concessions revenue still mean a lot.

Edited September 29, 2016 by Black_Jack29

[southsider2k5]

It still has some meaning but simply not as much as before the billion dollar TV deals and the myriad ways MLB is producing revenue through non traditional streams.

 

MLB is now in the NFL's ballpark when it comes to generated income.

 

To say nothing of the lease agreement which in some strange ways actually makes it better for the Sox to not draw well since then they don't have to chip in for maintenance fees to the state of Illinois.

 

Mark

 

Is there any actual evidence that the gain from the drop off in fans is actually greater than what they would have gained by having fans there? I hear the lease used a lot, but I have yet to see it actually proven.

[shysocks]

No they are not. But cherry pick stories and embellish to try to fit your narrative. Explain this quote if everything is A-OK

 

"We're mired in mediocrity," Hahn said. "That's not the goal. That's not acceptable. … The goal was to put ourselves in a situation to win a championship, and (being) stuck at .500 or around .500 doesn't do that.

 

 

"We may well have to adjust and take a longer-term view and take a different approach going forward."

A week later, they did nothing at the trade deadline. Whatever the reasons, they did nothing. If you want another case where the message coming out of the front office was inconsistent with its actions - and it seems that's all we've gotten lately - there you go. I don't believe anything they say anymore, from KW on down they have completely devalued their words.

[Dick Allen]

A week later, they did nothing at the trade deadline. Whatever the reasons, they did nothing. If you want another case where the message coming out of the front office was inconsistent with its actions - and it seems that's all we've gotten lately - there you go. I don't believe anything they say anymore, from KW on down they have completely devalued their words.

They traded Duke. Neither of the 2 top prospects people said Boston had to give the Sox for Sale were available and it went from, if they don't give them to you, then they don't get Sale, to trade Sale now, we must get rid of Sale. Teams get better all the time when they trade their ace.

[Balta1701]

Yeah, they should do what the fanbase says.

 

LMAO.

 

No one here had a blueprint to a championship last winter.

 

The fanbase got what they wanted in 1986 when Hawk launched LaRussa. Then years later they caulfielded and couldn't believe anyone could be such a dumbass and fire him.

 

 

If somehow, and I really don't know how, they can stack their roster, Robin will become a lot smarter.

I'll note, I asked specifically if you thought they would give Robin Ventura a 3 year deal, I asked if you were ok with the pitching coach staying on for 3 years, and whether or not keeping a manager on 1 year deals was consistent with a longer term view as described in that quote. You answered none of those questions.

[Bob Sacamano]

Saw an article about 4 Sox tickets for tonight's game being found on the red line placed on a seat. Perfect representation of the fan's opinion of this news. Rather just give the tickets away than actually use them.

Edited September 29, 2016 by soxfan2014

[southsider2k5]

Except that the Sox don't have a sweetheart TV deal like the Yankees and probably won't any time soon because their ratings suck. MLB is nowhere near where the NFL is in terms of TV/streaming money right now, and those 81 games of ticket/parking/concessions revenue still mean a lot.

 

The reality of revenue is this. The White Sox are no where near the big market teams in terms of dollars earned. The Yankees brought in $516 million in revenue last year. Tampa brought in $193 million. The White Sox brought in $240million.

[Black_Jack29]

The reality of revenue is this. The White Sox are no where near the big market teams in terms of dollars earned. The Yankees brought in $516 million in revenue last year. Tampa brought in $193 million. The White Sox brought in $240million.

 

Thank you.

 

For further perspective: The Cubs' revenue reached $340 million in 2015, up from $302 million.

Edited September 29, 2016 by Black_Jack29

[southsider2k5]

The reality of revenue is this. The White Sox are no where near the big market teams in terms of dollars earned. The Yankees brought in $516 million in revenue last year. Tampa brought in $193 million. The White Sox brought in $240million.

 

To further expand on this. Even if the Sox ran the table, and made another $100 million, they would STILL be closer to Tampa in revenue than the Yankees.

[Dick Allen]

I'll note, I asked specifically if you thought they would give Robin Ventura a 3 year deal, I asked if you were ok with the pitching coach staying on for 3 years, and whether or not keeping a manager on 1 year deals was consistent with a longer term view as described in that quote. You answered none of those questions.

I don't really care about the manager and coaches contracts. I am surprised they aren't necessarily making a change. I thought they would, but if they did, and all it involved was switching McEwing or Renteria into the managerial role, I don't see how that is much different than what it is today.

 

The most important thing is the roster. If Joe Maddon had to play JB Shuck every day and had to bring Matt Albers into the game after Arrieta went 5 innings, his petting zoo and karaoke spring training would be hammered backwards and forwards.

[shysocks]

They traded Duke. Neither of the 2 top prospects people said Boston had to give the Sox for Sale were available and it went from, if they don't give them to you, then they don't get Sale, to trade Sale now, we must get rid of Sale. Teams get better all the time when they trade their ace.

I know they traded Duke. It was such an inconsequential move that I didn't feel it was worth mentioning. Chris Sale was not the only player who might have been traded.

 

I said this like 200 posts ago, it's about messaging. Rick Hahn said the team was mired in mediocrity, and the next week he sent the message that he was just fine with that. Whatever they're doing with this Robin story, if they bring him back, they're sending that message again. Fearlessly.

 

I know you say they are gonna clean house on the roster, but I'll judge next offseason when it's over. This is a bad start.

[Dick Allen]

I know they traded Duke. It was such an inconsequential move that I didn't feel it was worth mentioning. Chris Sale was not the only player who might have been traded.

 

I said this like 200 posts ago, it's about messaging. Rick Hahn said the team was mired in mediocrity, and the next week he sent the message that he was just fine with that. Whatever they're doing with this Robin story, if they bring him back, they're sending that message again. Fearlessly.

 

I know you say they are gonna clean house on the roster, but I'll judge next offseason when it's over. This is a bad start.

No he didn't. There is no way the roster won't be significantly changed.

[shipps]

I know they traded Duke. It was such an inconsequential move that I didn't feel it was worth mentioning. Chris Sale was not the only player who might have been traded.

 

I said this like 200 posts ago, it's about messaging. Rick Hahn said the team was mired in mediocrity, and the next week he sent the message that he was just fine with that. Whatever they're doing with this Robin story, if they bring him back, they're sending that message again. Fearlessly.

 

I know you say they are gonna clean house on the roster, but I'll judge next offseason when it's over. This is a bad start.

 

DA knows exactly what you are saying. He probably agrees with it but he is obsessed with playing the devils advocate for some reason.

[Dick Allen]

DA knows exactly what you are saying. He probably agrees with it but he is obsessed with playing the devils advocate for some reason.

No. I do understand the frustration, I am frustrated myself, but just because something isn't done when you have no idea what was offered, doesn't mean they are happy with where they are at. For all we know, what was available at the deadline would have only made for more mediocrity. The same guys will still be available, and there will be changes. Who knows, all this griping about Robin may be about nothing. Perhaps he doesn't want to return. Maybe he is sick of it. Maybe his family gets a lot of crap. There are reasons I suppose he could decide he doesn't want to do this anymore.

 

What is weird is Robin said he would wait until after the season. Hahn is supposedly having a press conference on Monday to discuss things like changes. There supposedly have been zero negotiations. It's starting to look like Robin is walking away.

[Special K]

Perhaps this was just a leaked report so that everyone saves face. Sox didn't "fire" Robin and he walks away on good terms.

[Steve9347]

WHAT THE F*CKING F*CK

 

I am done with you White Sox. Catch ya in a decade.

[Eminor3rd]

Honestly, I don't even care at this point anymore.

 

They have bigger problems to address.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Perhaps this was just a leaked report so that everyone saves face. Sox didn't "fire" Robin and he walks away on good terms.

 

Which is even more embarassing because they don't need to do that and he isn't getting fired. He is a free man after Sunday.

[Rowand44]

Which is even more embarassing because they don't need to do that and he isn't getting fired. He is a free man after Sunday.

Yup. It's just stupid all the way around but whatever, that's this organization right now.

[Lip Man 1]

Except that the Sox don't have a sweetheart TV deal like the Yankees and probably won't any time soon because their ratings suck. MLB is nowhere near where the NFL is in terms of TV/streaming money right now, and those 81 games of ticket/parking/concessions revenue still mean a lot.

 

True but there is also more overall revenue sharing through merchandising, national TV deals and the new technology platforms to watch / stream games then ever before. We are talking a lot of shared money.

 

And just for the record it was Bud Selig himself who claimed MLB is in the same ballpark as the NFL in terms of overall revenue. I'd assume as commissioner at the time he'd have an intimate knowledge of the financial situation for baseball and Selig was never known to tout how strong MLB was financially before this situation.

 

Mark

Edited September 29, 2016 by Lip Man 1

[tray]

The Sox have not been smart or lucky with many of their Draft selections and trades. It has been frustrating, especially seeing how the Cubs basically stole Rizzo, got Addison Russel for Samardzija, got Arrieta and Strop for Feldman and Clevenger, and were lucky to get super star Bryant who happened to be was there for them to pick as a result of tanking the prior season.

 

Meanwhile the Sox have had some dog trades and acquisitions like Addison Reed for Matt Davidson and the signng of laRoach, and Shields. In addition, Robertson has not been a shut down Closer, Frazier has hit home runs but has hit for a low average, and there have been a lot of key injuries to Ajax, Lawrie, Petricka and a few others.

 

I am not happy but I am not going to jump in the lake over this.It is what it is. I will still enjoy my beer at the games next season and will go the final game on Sunday to say good bye to the team and to Ventura. I would guess that he will not return and that Hahn will install Renteria as Manager effective on Monday. There is about a 50/50 chance that Ventura comes back but I do not think that would be a good idea .

[Greg Hibbard]

At the end of the day, the White Sox are a product and Nightengale just blamed the f***ing customers.

 

This is akin to blaming patrons for not coming to a restaurant when the food isn't good.

 

It's just a product to consume, and if the people around this organization don't appreciate what isn't exactly a cheap proposition for entertainment, and aren't willing to provide a product worth consuming, then they can go f*** themselves.

 

Dick, if the manager isn't to be blamed for having a lack of talent then I see absolutely zero reason to tender an offer to Robin. I still ask you - what has he DONE to warrant your support?