caulfield12 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) The Cubs have a much much bigger regional fanbase. That's the key difference. Up until at least 2010/11, the numbers of fans attending games identifying themselves as Chicagoland residents for both teams was nearly identical. Not just hardcore fans of the Cubs, but regional fans of other teams who want to make a weekend of it and be closest to the Miracle Mile/Michigan Ave., outlet malls and the ballpark...and then you can't discount the historical value of fans just wanting to take their families to Wrigley or Fenway. All those other reasons get blended into the Cubs' numbers and create the loyalty perception. So much of it is a result of marketing, WGN, Harry Caray, day baseball, all the years without a World Series, etc. If you go to the Quad Cities, you won't see any Sox merchandise. Cubs and Cards dominate...which makes no sense geographically, but the Cards have the winning tradition as well as an extensive radio network. The Twins are third, probably a tie with Brewers and KC for fourth. This year, the WLS signal won't even come in. When I was growing up, 670 WMAQ came in like you were at the ballpark at night. Edited October 1, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 06:41 PM) The numbers are there. You can continue to choose to ignore them if you like. OK. Show me the numbers. Do a statistical analysis for me. Prove that Sox fans are not loyal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) I feel like eating spaghetti after this large meatball showed up What is it you don't like about Miracles post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 06:42 PM) If you go to the Quad Cities, you won't see any Sox merchandise. Cubs and Cards dominate...which makes no sense geographically, but the Cards have the winning tradition as well as an extensive radio network. The Twins are third, probably a tie with Brewers and KC for fourth. I call B.S. I get to the quad cities fairly often and I see just as much Sox gear as any other team, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 06:44 PM) OK. Show me the numbers. Do a statistical analysis for me. Prove that Sox fans are not loyal. Its been done ad naseum. Again, you can choose to ignore it if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 07:05 PM) What is it you don't like about Miracles post? The toothless bumpkin characterization, the meatball blaming of Bartman for anything. pretty much all of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) Its been done ad naseum. Again, you can choose to ignore it if you like. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) Its been done ad naseum. Again, you can choose to ignore it if you like. this... is.... not... a good... argument.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 09:07 PM) this... is.... not... a good... argument.... Pretty clever negotiating/debating tactic. When challenged to back up a statement, just say "I'm bored with this ..I don't want to talk about it anymore" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) Its been done ad naseum. Again, you can choose to ignore it if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) Pretty clever negotiating/debating tactic. When challenged to back up a statement, just say "I'm bored with this ..I don't want to talk about it anymore" As opposed to yelling prove it, and ignoring that it has been proven a million times before. Then again following the Birther script got Donald Trump the nomination, so I guess I could see the temptation to us it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 06:03 PM) Here we go into the endless circle again, where I prove that even when they did, people still didn't show up nearly as much. Oh no? 1983 - White Sox first Chicago baseball team to draw two million fans. 2006 - Sox max out on season ticket packages, draw just short of three million with nearly 60 sell outs that season. Only the reduced capacity of the ballpark due to Reinsdorf lopping off the top eight rows of the upper deck a few seasons prior prevents the Sox from blowing attendance records out of the water that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 05:30 AM) Oh no? 1983 - White Sox first Chicago baseball team to draw two million fans. 2006 - Sox max out on season ticket packages, draw just short of three million with nearly 60 sell outs that season. Only the reduced capacity of the ballpark due to Reinsdorf lopping off the top eight rows of the upper deck a few seasons prior prevents the Sox from blowing attendance records out of the water that year. Yeah, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 07:30 AM) Oh no? 1983 - White Sox first Chicago baseball team to draw two million fans. 2006 - Sox max out on season ticket packages, draw just short of three million with nearly 60 sell outs that season. Only the reduced capacity of the ballpark due to Reinsdorf lopping off the top eight rows of the upper deck a few seasons prior prevents the Sox from blowing attendance records out of the water that year. So now he is an asshole for cutting down the upper deck. You are hysterical. By the way the 66-96 Cubs drew about 2500 more per game in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 07:30 AM) Oh no? 1983 - White Sox first Chicago baseball team to draw two million fans. 2006 - Sox max out on season ticket packages, draw just short of three million with nearly 60 sell outs that season. Only the reduced capacity of the ballpark due to Reinsdorf lopping off the top eight rows of the upper deck a few seasons prior prevents the Sox from blowing attendance records out of the water that year. So what happened in 2008? 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 The #WhiteSox have one more meeting scheduled tonight with manager Robin Ventura, and unless Ventura changes his mind, he intends to resign. https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/782577304904097794 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 08:14 AM) So now he is an asshole for cutting down the upper deck. You are hysterical. By the way the 66-96 Cubs drew about 2500 more per game in 2006. Hey, I know! Let's play a game. It's called "Dick Allen puts words in his mouth and his mouth only!" Can we play that game, Dick? You down with that? Because it really does get old and boring watching you either twist words or put words in other people's mouths just to support your craving to argue just for the sake of arguing. Just stop with the nonsense already. Didn't say Reinsdorf was an asshole when referencing the slicing off of the top eight rows of the upper deck. Simply made the point that as a result of him doing so the ballpark's capacity was significantly reduced, to even less than that of Wrigley. So it's pretty pointless trying to compare the attendance of the two teams in 2006 when both teams were selling out almost every game, but one team has a bigger ballpark than the other. There. Those are my words, again, thank you very much. And oh, since you are the one who brought it up, Reinsdorf is the term YOU used due to the myriad bonehead and fan-unfriendly decisions he's made lo these past 36 years of his reign of terror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) So what happened in 2008? 2012? Well, in 2008, the last time the Sox went to the postseason and one of only five times in the past 56 years they've done so, they drew 2.5 million plus fans to the park. Last I looked, that was considered a very strong attendance showing. Now why you keep bringing up 2012, I'll never know. They didn't win anything that year. They did not go to the postseason, so it doesn't even matter. Throw it on the scrap heap with the other 50 years of non-postseason appearances of the past 56 years and forget about it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) The #WhiteSox have one more meeting scheduled tonight with manager Robin Ventura, and unless Ventura changes his mind, he intends to resign. https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/782577304904097794 He isn't really resigning though. His contract is expiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 10:39 AM) Well, in 2008, the last time the Sox went to the postseason and one of only five times in the past 56 years they've done so, they drew 2.5 million plus fans to the park. Last I looked, that was considered a very strong attendance showing. Now why you keep bringing up 2012, I'll never know. They didn't win anything that year. They did not go to the postseason, so it doesn't even matter. Throw it on the scrap heap with the other 50 years of non-postseason appearances of the past 56 years and forget about it already. So not even league average is a strong showing. You are funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 If you strung consecutive good years together, fan momentum would build. But, the White Sox haven't done that in awhile (ever? I'm a relatively young guy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Gotta love the semantics of all this. Let's cut through the bull...Robin Ventura is getting fired after five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) Pretty clever negotiating/debating tactic. When challenged to back up a statement, just say "I'm bored with this ..I don't want to talk about it anymore" You aren't new here. This argument has been going in circles for the past year +. Everybody is bored with it, except Thad Bosley who isn't happy unless he has something to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) So not even league average is a strong showing. You are funny. It's absolutely a strong showing given the park's capacity. Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) You aren't new here. This argument has been going in circles for the past year +. Everybody is bored with it, except Thad Bosley who isn't happy unless he has something to complain about. Excellent post. Learned quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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