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USA Today: White Sox Will Retain Robin Ventura, If He Wants to Return


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QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:47 PM)
So, Dick, just to be clear, your main thrust is that there is no way to ever judge whether a manager is good, either by record or by his choices on the field, so we should never fire a manager, correct?

No, but the outrage is laughable. If you think the Sox don't have the talent to compete, how do you blame the record on the manager? If you think the Sox should be in the playoffs with what they have, then yes, the manager should be fired. I just don't think Shields and Ranaudo and Danks and Albers, and Shuck and Avi not to mention other below average guys, are Robin Ventura's fault. When people are excited about Tyler Saladino, and want him as a regular, it is an indication the talent level is short. I don't think there is a manager managing or a manager in waiting coaching right now that would have had the 2016 White Sox in the playoffs.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:51 PM)
If this is false, I feel like this is the 3-4 time this season Nightengale has been fed contradictory info. I wonder if he stops using his source.

He said in his story contract negotiations had yet to commence. So there is nothing contradictory about Hayes' tweet.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:53 PM)
No, but the outrage is laughable. If you think the Sox don't have the talent to compete, how do you blame the record on the manager? If you think the Sox should be in the playoffs with what they have, then yes, the manager should be fired. I just don't think Shields and Ranaudo and Danks and Albers, and Shuck and Avi not to mention other below average guys, are Robin Ventura's fault. When people are excited about Tyler Saladino, and want him as a regular, it is an indication the talent level is short. I don't think there is a manager managing or a manager in waiting coaching right now that would have had the 2016 White Sox in the playoffs.

 

So, sure. Avi Garcia is bad, but he's not 100% the reason that the sox have had a losing season. We should make sure he's still part of the team next year. Matt Albers was bad, but he wasn't 100% the reason the team was bad this year, he should be in the bullpen forever. James Shields is bad, but, so was everyone, it's ridiculous to think removing him will help.

 

It doesn't matter how you perform, so long as everyone around you is bad too. Then you can't complain!

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 03:01 PM)
I guess I should add another possible scenario, though an unlikely one: that this was a mole hunt to expose media leaker(s). Which is yet another stupid move, but I suppose it could be reality.

 

That would be an embarrassing strategy for a professional organization, but hey, we saw how the drake laroche fiasco was worked in media. Sounds like the correct answer!

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I'm willing to be patient and see what happens between the last pitch Sunday and Monday afternoon. Hopefully Robin won't be back. And the stuff about a new manager not making a difference shouldn't even be a topic. Robin Ventura should have never got the job, so it's just the right thing to do to end his time here, and move on.

 

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QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 03:03 PM)
So, sure. Avi Garcia is bad, but he's not 100% the reason that the sox have had a losing season. We should make sure he's still part of the team next year. Matt Albers was bad, but he wasn't 100% the reason the team was bad this year, he should be in the bullpen forever. James Shields is bad, but, so was everyone, it's ridiculous to think removing him will help.

 

It doesn't matter how you perform, so long as everyone around you is bad too. Then you can't complain!

Players you change. That is far more effective than swapping out a manager. Again, Joe Maddon, Mike Scoscia, whatever, with this roster, and how the injuries shook out, they all would be fools.

 

Again, if the Sox were ever going to make a change, this seems like the time to do it. It just doesn't upset me that it appears they won't do it like it does most others. I'd rather have them blame players and change them.

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QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 03:07 PM)
I'm willing to be patient and see what happens between the last pitch Sunday and Monday afternoon. Hopefully Robin won't be back. And the stuff about a new manager not making a difference shouldn't even be a topic. Robin Ventura should have never got the job, so it's just the right thing to do to end his time here, and move on.

 

Something we should ALL agree on.

 

Very lackluster announcement that day they announced him as manager

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 09:09 PM)
Something we should ALL agree on.

 

Very lackluster announcement that day they announced him as manager

 

I will never forget cringing during his conference call when listening to it on the radio. I didn't even mind the hire at the time, but his lack of energy was startling

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I am with Dick. Robin has nothing to do with the past 5 seasons of bad. Literally...nothing to do with it at all.

 

Why even have a manager if this was the case? Cant we just have a "line-up maker" and security be present in the club house? Team would do the same, right?

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 03:08 PM)
Players you change. That is far more effective than swapping out a manager. Again, Joe Maddon, Mike Scoscia, whatever, with this roster, and how the injuries shook out, they all would be fools.

 

Again, if the Sox were ever going to make a change, this seems like the time to do it. It just doesn't upset me that it appears they won't do it like it does most others. I'd rather have them blame players and change them.

After these past five years, you do both. Change players and the manager.

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