JoeBatadatz Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 12:40 AM) Personally, I like KW and his try to win every year mentality. To me, that's what you should do. His biggest mistake was not getting along with, or coming to some kind of workable situation with Guillen. He let it become personal and that's started the downfall. As for his "bad" trades. The only one of significance I can think of is the Swisher trade. There may be some more that have slipped my mind but nothing of significance. I know there was a lot of much wasted hand-wringing over Daniel Hudson and Holmberg but those guys really did nothing. Let's not forget his running big Frank out of town, also because it got personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (joegraz @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 03:40 AM) Let's not forget his running big Frank out of town, also because it got personal. Not that the Sox would've re-signed Frank, but that's true. His feud with Sale has also became a huge mess this year (though Sale is also a complete headcase). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 11:40 PM) Personally, I like KW and his try to win every year mentality. To me, that's what you should do. His biggest mistake was not getting along with, or coming to some kind of workable situation with Guillen. He let it become personal and that's started the downfall. As for his "bad" trades. The only one of significance I can think of is the Swisher trade. There may be some more that have slipped my mind but nothing of significance. I know there was a lot of much wasted hand-wringing over Daniel Hudson and Holmberg but those guys really did nothing. If Kenny does leave, someone here will probably start a thread listing his bad trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 If you look at this logically, with what WSD is reporting, I don't think KW is leaving. With Robin, after the leak they wanted him back, but the leak no negotiation and the news there would be a press conference the day after the season ended, it would lean toward Robin isn't coming back. And that is what happened. WSD said KW wouldn't be at the press conference. If he really was resigning, wouldn't he be there to answer questions? Love him or hate him, he has been around forever, and walking away with no answers as to why doesn't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) If you look at this logically, with what WSD is reporting, I don't think KW is leaving. With Robin, after the leak they wanted him back, but the leak no negotiation and the news there would be a press conference the day after the season ended, it would lean toward Robin isn't coming back. And that is what happened. WSD said KW wouldn't be at the press conference. If he really was resigning, wouldn't he be there to answer questions? Love him or hate him, he has been around forever, and walking away with no answers as to why doesn't add up. Do Team Presidents/ GMs attend after season press conferences after being let go? Did Schuler attend the press conference when Jerry fired him and promoted KW? You could have a point but I'm just curious, because it's been so long since changes were made at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 If KW leaves, this could be great news for the"Drake". He can return for spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 11:38 PM) Shelby Miller, come on down... You're the next contestant on "The Deal is f***ing Wrong!" I have been in Atlanta for the last series at Turner (pics on my Instagram) but Shelby Miller is involved in one of the Braves worst trades and their best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I think KW is a good baseball man and is way overtly qualified for every job out there but it is in the best interest of bother parties if they separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 11:16 PM) The Shields trade should not get anyone fired. What did we give up in that deal? It hasn't worked out for us so far, but we essentially just signed Shields to a 3 yr/$27M deal or whatever it turned out to be. If he can give us 200 healthy innings next year, it isn't going to damage this organization like a trade-that-gets-someone-fired typically would. The Shields deal bothers me a whole lot less after learning the way San Diego does business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Good Riddance.. hate his cocky attitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 So if kenny is gone and he really tied Hahn up then the clock on Hahn starts now... So there you go Rick.. put up or shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 could also mean that Sale is going nowhere. Both people he's disagreed with in the past will be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (bjm676 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 10:39 AM) could also mean that Sale is going nowhere. Both people he's disagreed with in the past will be gone. I thought Hahn wanted to rebuild while Kenny didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 So maybe we end up with the Rick and Rick Show starring Rick Renteria and Rick Hahn. Maybe the Sox could bring back Rick Peterson and make him pitching coach. Renteria should have his choice of coaches and is probably familiar with Peterson. I just want the Three Ricks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) Do Team Presidents/ GMs attend after season press conferences after being let go? Did Schuler attend the press conference when Jerry fired him and promoted KW? You could have a point but I'm just curious, because it's been so long since changes were made at the top. I don't really remember but I think it was a foregone conclusion Schuler was retiring. This would be a huge story one worthy of its own press conference. And unlike Robin, he wouldn't have to wait until all the games were played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) I thought Hahn wanted to rebuild while Kenny didn't Isn't that just all gossip and hearsay anyway? Weren't they both on the same page through 2012, which was smartly to try to win with the older core. Then weren't they on the same page to rebuild and flip cores? Amazing they were competitive even during these leaner rebuild years. Frickin love me some KW & RH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (chisoxt @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) If true then the dominoes will start to fall into place and a rebuild will commence ....I would not be surprised if Sale was the first to go. I'm not sure why that would necessarily mean a rebuild. Maybe JR is fed up with 2/16...or perhaps just time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) So maybe we end up with the Rick and Rick Show starring Rick Renteria and Rick Hahn. Maybe the Sox could bring back Rick Peterson and make him pitching coach. Renteria should have his choice of coaches and is probably familiar with Peterson. I just want the Three Ricks . If they fail we can call them the three pricks lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 One can only hope but I don't think that will be the case. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Levine reporting that KW isn't stepping down lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 According to MLB sources White Sox Executive VP of BB opts Ken Williams ,is not stepping down from the post.(Some reports had him leaving) https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/782660367738699776 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I hope Levine is wrong... yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Sigh...some things will never change until Jerry is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) According to MLB sources White Sox Executive VP of BB opts Ken Williams ,is not stepping down from the post.(Some reports had him leaving) https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/782660367738699776 Well that's a douse of cold water. If Ventura is it, nothing is changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) Well that's a douse of cold water. If Ventura is it, nothing is changing. The scary part is they may have wanted Ventura to return too depending on which reports you believe. If true, that shows me there is still no accountability in this organzation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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