GreenSox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Jerry DiPoto makes a lot of interesting trades. Walker may or may not develop further, but he's a decent #4 right now. Arizona will do at least okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) Walker still has a ton of upside, but it's in the same erratic/inconsistent way that Rodon does... Imagine if we got that return for, let's say, Rodon and Frazier (or Saladino), would anyone be happy? Segura was almost a non-tender guy last offseason and had a huge bounceback year, but can you count on that if you look at his numbers year by year? Rodon has shown signicantly more ability at the major league level. Not sure that's a great comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 08:36 PM) Walker still has a ton of upside, but it's in the same erratic/inconsistent way that Rodon does... Imagine if we got that return for, let's say, Rodon and Frazier (or Saladino), would anyone be happy? Segura was almost a non-tender guy last offseason and had a huge bounceback year, but can you count on that if you look at his numbers year by year? Walker/Marte are not equal to Rodon/Frazier. Segura had his best year last season so they indeed sold him high... but he also did have a 3+bWAR season on his resume. Again thou, I know nothing about the other two pieces going to Seattle - whichever I'm sure had something to play in this movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:42 PM) Jerry DiPoto makes a lot of interesting trades. Walker may or may not develop further, but he's a decent #4 right now. Arizona will do at least okay. Interestingly bad, in my opinion. Lots of moves like the Sox have been known to make in the past (hopefully). They're definitely trying to win in 2017 and 2018 at any cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 What the hell is Seattle going to do in their rotation now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 12:47 AM) Interestingly bad, in my opinion. Lots of moves like the Sox have been known to make in the past (hopefully). They're definitely trying to win in 2017 and 2018 at any cost. They're about in the position of the 2012 white sox, except they have more resources to add stuff other than Keppinger. It could work....if Cano, Hernandez, and Cruz don't turn into Konerko and company and get old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Interestingly bad, in my opinion. Lots of moves like the Sox have been known to make in the past (hopefully). They're definitely trying to win in 2017 and 2018 at any cost. Some good, some bad. But they don't seem like Sox moves at all to me. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:52 PM) They're about in the position of the 2012 white sox, except they have more resources to add stuff other than Keppinger. It could work....if Cano, Hernandez, and Cruz don't turn into Konerko and company and get old. Could. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs with Houston and Texas in the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) Some good, some bad. But they don't seem like Sox moves at all to me. . The outfield they have set up is absolute trash. Their 1B situation is set up as a damn Richie Schaffer/Dan Vogelbach platoon. Trading controllable youth for an inconsistent player in Segura who, by the way, expires in 2 years? Super Sox move. See: the Frazier trade and the Samardjiza trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Still don't understand their starting pitching now. They've got only two good starting pitchers I'm aware of. Can someone enlighten me please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) The outfield they have set up is absolute trash. Their 1B situation is set up as a damn Richie Schaffer/Dan Vogelbach platoon. Trading controllable youth for an inconsistent player in Segura who, by the way, expires in 2 years? Super Sox move. See: the Frazier trade and the Samardjiza trade. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but Walker has accomplished basically nothing. He obviously has a huge ceiling, but right now it doesn't look he's going to reach it. It's very possible they're selling high on Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) I don't disagree with what you're saying, but Walker has accomplished basically nothing. He obviously has a huge ceiling, but right now it doesn't look he's going to reach it. It's very possible they're selling high on Walker. He's only 24. Development isn't a linear thing. He just came off a season with an 8.0 K/9 and a 2.5 BB/9. The peripherals look good. Edited November 24, 2016 by Ro Da Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) I don't disagree with what you're saying, but Walker has accomplished basically nothing. He obviously has a huge ceiling, but right now it doesn't look he's going to reach it. It's very possible they're selling high on Walker. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) I don't disagree with what you're saying, but Walker has accomplished basically nothing. He obviously has a huge ceiling, but right now it doesn't look he's going to reach it. It's very possible they're selling high on Walker. Walker has a lower WHIP and ERA than Rodon; that is mitigated because his park is friendlier, and he doesn't have Rodon's 9 Ks/9, but he's got 8. There is some talent there. Seattle may be selling high on Walker; Arizona also may be selling high on Segura. That's what makes the trade interesting. Edited November 24, 2016 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I agree with Dave Cameron's analysis of the trade. Thinks AZ sold high on Segura, bought low on Walker, but Mitch Haniger could be the wild card player. He was awarded the best Dbacks prospect of 2016 after a breakout season, and he plays CF. If he pans out, Seattle probably wins, if he is just a 4th OF, Dbacks probably win assuming Walker becomes a decent #3 starter. Either way, interesting trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Well, substantially less than I thought he'd get. Possible backlash from teams overpaying for defense/pitch framing since it's pretty hard to keep a bad offensive player in the lineup . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Hopefully Arizona fixes the flaw in Walker's delivery. A couple years ago Seattle shortened his stride which has led to more injuries with his shoulder and seen a decrease in velocity. Would be an easy fix and his elite stuff would return and health wouldn't be in question. Law and Crawford have been harping on that for 2 years with how Seattle has hurt Walker's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Dbacks make a decent trade? What is up with the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Hopefully Arizona fixes the flaw in Walker's delivery. A couple years ago Seattle shortened his stride which has led to more injuries with his shoulder and seen a decrease in velocity. Would be an easy fix and his elite stuff would return and health wouldn't be in question. Law and Crawford have been harping on that for 2 years with how Seattle has hurt Walker's development. Easy fix eh? How easy, like a couple starts? Just asking because I have no pitching coach experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Hopefully Arizona fixes the flaw in Walker's delivery. A couple years ago Seattle shortened his stride which has led to more injuries with his shoulder and seen a decrease in velocity. Would be an easy fix and his elite stuff would return and health wouldn't be in question. Law and Crawford have been harping on that for 2 years with how Seattle has hurt Walker's development. [/quote Sounds like the Slide Step technique, which is a great way to hurt the shoulder if used too much. Sue the Pitching Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 You can't predict injuries perfectly for any one player, but if you take a cluster of pitchers with the same delivery issues that Walker has, given the research on guys with upright finishes and high release points, you can say that overall the group will be more injury-prone with the shoulder than a control group without that kind of finish. That was changed two years ago in his delivery. If Walker went back to his old mechanics health shouldn't be an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 26, 2016 -> 09:00 AM) Easy fix eh? How easy, like a couple starts? Just asking because I have no pitching coach experience. Offseason- Perfect timing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 26, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) You can't predict injuries perfectly for any one player, but if you take a cluster of pitchers with the same delivery issues that Walker has, given the research on guys with upright finishes and high release points, you can say that overall the group will be more injury-prone with the shoulder than a control group without that kind of finish. That was changed two years ago in his delivery. If Walker went back to his old mechanics health shouldn't be an issue I bet Seattle wishes they had you in their FO. They could have fixed him this offseason, let him dominate April, and then traded him for way more than they just did. Edited November 27, 2016 by Jerksticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 26, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) You can't predict injuries perfectly for any one player, but if you take a cluster of pitchers with the same delivery issues that Walker has, given the research on guys with upright finishes and high release points, you can say that overall the group will be more injury-prone with the shoulder than a control group without that kind of finish. That was changed two years ago in his delivery. If Walker went back to his old mechanics health shouldn't be an issue Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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