Jose Abreu Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2016/10/y..._be_back_r.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 I guess I could've bumped this whole mess. If mods prefer that then feel free to merge them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I think from the time he signed that contract it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that he would opt out unless he tanked or got hurt. If they decide to go for it they definitely need to take a look. He probably won't beat the $23.75 per he was due the next two years by a whole lot. The question is whether he is willing to sign a long term deal or if he is going to want another similar contract with an opt out after one year and a large signing bonus paid up front again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 MAde more sense last year when the Sox had a) a protected pack and b) Cespedes didn't have draft pick compensation tied to him. I just cannot see the Sox forfeiting the #12 pick all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) MAde more sense last year when the Sox had a) a protected pack and b) Cespedes didn't have draft pick compensation tied to him. I just cannot see the Sox forfeiting the #12 pick all things considered. I don't believe he would have a draft pick attached to him if he chooses to opt out. I don't think that makes him eligible for a QO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:22 PM) I don't believe he would have a draft pick attached to him if he chooses to opt out. I don't think that makes him eligible for a QO. Is that the case for sure? Seems to me more players would demand opt outs if it got them out of the QO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:22 PM) I don't believe he would have a draft pick attached to him if he chooses to opt out. I don't think that makes him eligible for a QO. If he opts out the Mets can still make him a QO. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/expl...fer-system.html "Qualifying offers operate independently of options. Hence, a player can receive a qualifying offer even if their option is declined (whether by team or player) or if they opt out of a deal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Obviously he'll get the QO, and his "can do whatever he wants" vibe won't be highly appreciated by a new manager trying to set a new tone for the clubhouse...plus putting him around a .500ish team screams potential problems. Not to mention how many nice golf courses there are in Chicago. Then you have the smoking issue. Complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:22 PM) I don't believe he would have a draft pick attached to him if he chooses to opt out. I don't think that makes him eligible for a QO. This is wrong. He would. See Gordon, Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) I'm for the rebuild but if the Sox want to compete then they need to do whatever it takes to sign him if they want to compete with this roster but they'd need to make more additions. Jerry won't shell out the money nor do I believe Cespedes would come to the south side, so it's likely a moot point. But let's just think about a Cespedes addition for the sake of argument for competing. Cespedes addition along with other additions: Eaton-RF Cabrera-DH Abreu-1B Cespedes-LF Frazier-3B Anderson-SS Lawrie-2B Catcher: Free agent catcher Wieters or Lucroy? I know Hahn liked Castro in the past but I don't think he's much of an upgrade CF:Tilson or bring back Jackson? Rotation Sale Quintana Shields (needing a bounce back season from him is big but I don't see it) Rodon Fulmer (is he ready?) Bullpen Free agent or trade addition Petricka Putnam Burdi LHP free agent or trade Jones Robertson That's a lot of money Jerry would need to spend to make this team a legit playoff contender. I don't see it along with guys bouncing back. I just did this on a whim so flame away. Edited October 6, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Shoulda signed him last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:42 PM) If he opts out the Mets can still make him a QO. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/expl...fer-system.html "Qualifying offers operate independently of options. Hence, a player can receive a qualifying offer even if their option is declined (whether by team or player) or if they opt out of a deal." Hmm, interesting. Well then he kind of hurts himself by opting out every year and always forcing a team to burn a pick to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I still don't want him. I'm tired of this team bringing in guys in their 30s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (Donaldo @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) I still don't want him. I'm tired of this team bringing in guys in their 30s. I mean, it's one thing if he's late 30s like LaRoche or Rollins, but Cespedes is literally 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:22 PM) I don't believe he would have a draft pick attached to him if he chooses to opt out. I don't think that makes him eligible for a QO. I think you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Interesting rumor since he said mid season that he wouldn't opt out. But that was just the right thing to say at the time since saying the opposite would've drawn undo attention . He will be 31 October 18th. He could get a 4/5 year deal in the $100-150 M range so opting out would be quite lucrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Sox get a second chance...we'll see what happens. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:07 PM) I'm for the rebuild but if the Sox want to compete then they need to do whatever it takes to sign him if they want to compete with this roster but they'd need to make more additions. Jerry won't shell out the money nor do I believe Cespedes would come to the south side, so it's likely a moot point. But let's just think about a Cespedes addition for the sake of argument for competing. Cespedes addition along with other additions: Eaton-RF Cabrera-DH Abreu-1B Cespedes-LF Frazier-3B Anderson-SS Lawrie-2B Catcher: Free agent catcher Wieters or Lucroy? I know Hahn liked Castro in the past but I don't think he's much of an upgrade CF:Tilson or bring back Jackson? Rotation Sale Quintana Shields (needing a bounce back season from him is big but I don't see it) Rodon Fulmer (is he ready?) Bullpen Free agent or trade addition Petricka Putnam Burdi LHP free agent or trade Jones Robertson That's a lot of money Jerry would need to spend to make this team a legit playoff contender. I don't see it along with guys bouncing back. I just did this on a whim so flame away. Miguel Gonzalez is in the rotation no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (onedude @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 07:31 PM) Miguel Gonzalez is in the rotation no? Yes, he is. And Dan Jennings is in the bullpen. And Lucroy will not be a free agent. His option is for $5.25 million and he's worth 3 or 4 times that. And Castro, as one of the best framing catchers in the baseball, and an average catcher bat, would be a big upgrade. Edited October 7, 2016 by Vance Law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) Sox get a second chance...we'll see what happens. Mark Sox won't get Cespedes until he's at the tail end of whichever contract he'll sign this winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 04:56 AM) Sox won't get Cespedes until he's at the tail end of whichever contract he'll sign this winter They shouldn't anyways. This team should be rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 09:05 PM) I mean, it's one thing if he's late 30s like LaRoche or Rollins, but Cespedes is literally 30. Is he though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) Can the mods open that gigantic Cespedes thread again? I want to see how many more posts we can add to it, lol. Edited October 7, 2016 by ChiSoxFanMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 07:11 AM) Can the mods open that gigantic Cespedes thread again? I want to see how many more posts we can add to it, lol. Let's try to beat it with this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 03:40 AM) And Castro, as one of the best framing catchers in the baseball, and an average catcher bat, would be a big upgrade. Castro hasn't had an OPS> .700 in 4 seasons. Nothing average about his bat. Should have kept Flowers if that's the road the Sox are considering (and I certainly hope it isn't-good catchers who can hit are rare and way overpriced; but no reason to pay premium for one who can't hit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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