ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 12, 2016 -> 11:03 PM) If you could get Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech and Swihart for Sale and Melky, do you do it? I'd push for Devers too, but yah, I wouldn't be outraged if this happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 12, 2016 -> 11:26 PM) Just curious, does anyone else besides me feel like the Sox could compete next season just by unloading Quintana and Robertson for some young major league talent? Let's say...Quintana to Red Sox for Benintendi, Shaw, Groome, Kopech. And also....Roberston to Giants for Joe Panik Sox go out and sign Rich Hill and Lucroy Rotation is.... Sale Hill Rodon Gonzalez Shields/Fulmer Lineup is.... SS Anderson RF Eaton DH Abreu C Lucroy 3B Frazier LF Melky CF Benintendi 1B Shaw 2B Panik Saladino and Lawrie are your backup IF. Or maybe you even give the Giants one of those two along with Robertson until Christian Arroyo is ready to come up for them. Narvaez is your backup catcher. Nate Jones becomes your closer, and you obviously sign a couple MR in there to replace deadweights like Albers. I think that team is certainly better in 2017, even though you lost Quintana and Robertson. Lucroy is not a FA. His option is about as no brainer as they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 12:03 AM) If you could get Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech and Swihart for Sale and Melky, do you do it? If I'm Boston, I'm asking for Nate Jones instead of Melky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (striker @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 10:12 AM) If I'm Boston, I'm asking for Nate Jones instead of Melky And I am telling them to go pound sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) And I am telling them to go pound sand. Not for that offer above you wouldn't. Moncada AND Benintendi AND Kopech AND more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 11:34 AM) Not for that offer above you wouldn't. Moncada AND Benintendi AND Kopech AND more? Asking for Nate Jones in a deal like that makes a ton of sense for Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 08:04 AM) Yes, 100 times out of 100, which tells me Boston wouldn't. I agree with you. And it's nutty that people think that's not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 12:02 PM) I agree with you. And it's nutty that people think that's not enough. None of those guys are established. It's hard to trade the second best left handed pitcher on the planet who's on an incredibly cost effective deal and a serviceable outfielder for unknowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 11:34 AM) Not for that offer above you wouldn't. Moncada AND Benintendi AND Kopech AND more? I definitely want Devers too if we're giving up Nate. Nate is an extremely valuable trade chip in his own right. Just look at what the Phillies got for Ken Giles. Giles is a little cheaper, but Nate is locked up for the next five years on a great deal. He's no throw in. Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech, Devers and Rodridguez for Sale and Jones, sure. But I'd want those last two. Not saying I wouldn't come off that request if it was the difference between getting the deal done and not. IMO, I want those five for Sale alone and that'd be my starting point. When they balk, I include Melky. If that doesn't excite them, only then do I offer Nate. Edited October 13, 2016 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Guys. I'm just afraid these threads are setting us all up for disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Guys. I'm just afraid these threads are setting us all up for disappointment. Always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Guys. I'm just afraid these threads are setting us all up for disappointment. I've got that feeling as well. I personally don't want to speculate too much myself to not be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Guys. I'm just afraid these threads are setting us all up for disappointment. Probably, but oh well. It makes too much sense. One of the best pitchers in baseball paid 1/3 of what he'd get on open market for THREE years. Sellers market. FA pool sucks. Teams with most to offer all get knocked out the playoffs early. The Sox have the power here to start a hell of a bidding war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 12, 2016 -> 11:03 PM) If you could get Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech and Swihart for Sale and Melky, do you do it? Devers instead of Swihart and yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 11:37 AM) Asking for Nate Jones in a deal like that makes a ton of sense for Boston. Absolutely does. This deal makes a ton of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) Absolutely does. This deal makes a ton of sense. Boston definitely needs another arm or two in the bullpen. But there top bullpen need is a lefty since they only have one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I love some of the ideas in this thread. I really hope they explore and pounce on any good trade options. The team desperately needs a reshape and while it won't happen with the front office, it can happen with the players. I'd give away everyone that nets back a return to set us up in about 2-3 yearsish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 06:16 PM) Boston definitely needs another arm or two in the bullpen. But there top bullpen need is a lefty since they only have one They have 3 (Ross, Abad, and Scott), but I'd happily give them Dan Jennings if they're willing to overpay for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Hahn spoke briefly about the playoff pitching struggles of certain teams possibly elevating interest in Chris Sale and/or Jose Quintana... https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/786610886840418304 Hahn: "People tend to perhaps overreact to small samples in October. But I'm guessing, based on how things have gone so far ... https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/786611045506781184 More Hahn: "... we expected a lot of calls heading into the offseason, and this probably only reinforces that idea." https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/786611093485461504 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Please give the go ahead on the rebuild Jerry. Let's get this started and do this the right way. We have two SPs that could reshape the franchise for years to come. I really think this rebuild starts and Renteria is good for it due to his experience with CHC and their rebuild. I believe in Hahn and his trades. He's done fairly well in identifying talent in trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 09:34 AM) Lucroy is not a FA. His option is about as no brainer as they get. Whatever website I was looking at listed him as a FA, I guess they forgot to mention he has an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 09:03 PM) They have 3 (Ross, Abad, and Scott), but I'd happily give them Dan Jennings if they're willing to overpay for him. Only name being floated in media so far is Boone Logan as a lefty option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) I definitely want Devers too if we're giving up Nate. Nate is an extremely valuable trade chip in his own right. Just look at what the Phillies got for Ken Giles. Giles is a little cheaper, but Nate is locked up for the next five years on a great deal. He's no throw in. Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech, Devers and Rodridguez for Sale and Jones, sure. But I'd want those last two. Not saying I wouldn't come off that request if it was the difference between getting the deal done and not. IMO, I want those five for Sale alone and that'd be my starting point. When they balk, I include Melky. If that doesn't excite them, only then do I offer Nate. Agreed. I'd hate to lose Nate Jones. But if he can sweeten the pot significantly, I'll miss him less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 11:46 PM) Please give the go ahead on the rebuild Jerry. Let's get this started and do this the right way. We have two SPs that could reshape the franchise for years to come. I really think this rebuild starts and Renteria is good for it due to his experience with CHC and their rebuild. I believe in Hahn and his trades. He's done fairly well in identifying talent in trades. Problem is that KW would be involved with a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 12, 2016 -> 11:03 PM) If you could get Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech and Swihart for Sale and Melky, do you do it? Nobody wants Melky, except in maybe a July pickup if he's having a good year. Like others said, Jones, or preferably Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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