Price rising for Sale and Q

[SoxAce]

You're going to be disappointed if you are expecting a 4-5 year overhaul of the organization.

 

When you hear "rebuild" that's what you expect. If that's the case, just keep the other two 27 year olds and continue to "retool".

[Black_Jack29]

That's the whole point with me. If you are rebuilding, why are you trading for a guy who will be 27 next season? Go young with the rebuild, don't half ass it like we've been doing with the "retooling".

 

There's no way that the Sox will be doing a 4-5 year rebuilding. More like 2 years.

 

And I don't think that's a pipe dream, given that JBJ is entering his prime, Benintiendi is ML-ready, and Moncada is close to ML-ready.

 

[Dunt]

That's the whole point with me. If you are rebuilding, why are you trading for a guy who will be 27 next season? Go young with the rebuild, don't half ass it like we've been doing with the "retooling".

 

I really don't think they rebuild. I am thinking they do end up dealing Sale, but instead of rebuilding, it's sort of a retooling. Move Sale and get JBJ, Devers, Kopech, and Rodriguez and then grab someone who can play LF and move Melky to DH. If they did something like that, next year could be really interesting:

 

Eaton RF

JBJ CF

Abreu 1B

Cespedes LF

Melky DH

Frazier 3B

Saladino/Lawrie 2B

Avila? C

Anderson SS

 

Quintana L

Gonzalez R

Rodon L

Rodriguez R

Fulmer R

[SCCWS]

I really think Sale and Robertson for Benintenidi, Kopech, Groome, Rodriguez, and Vasquez is pretty fair, but unrealistic given our obsession with Bradley

 

I doubt they want Robertson. They already have a closer in Kimbrall and I doubt they pay Robertson money for a set-up guy. They will probably want a lefty set up guy.

[SCCWS]

There's no way that the Sox will be doing a 4-5 year rebuilding. More like 2 years.

 

And I don't think that's a pipe dream, given that JBJ is entering his prime, Benintiendi is ML-ready, and Moncada is close to ML-ready.

 

I think Moncada needs another year in AAA. His cup of coffee was weak. Benintend's bat was ML ready but his play in LF was sketchy at times . In fairness to the kid, he also skipped AAA so his problems in LF were understandable. I assume you are not thinking those 3 are in the same deal by the way. I think Moncada can be had for the right price but I really think JBJ and Benintendi are not going anywhere.

[Jose Abreu]

I really don't think they rebuild. I am thinking they do end up dealing Sale, but instead of rebuilding, it's sort of a retooling. Move Sale and get JBJ, Devers, Kopech, and Rodriguez and then grab someone who can play LF and move Melky to DH. If they did something like that, next year could be really interesting:

 

Eaton RF

JBJ CF

Abreu 1B

Cespedes LF

Melky DH

Frazier 3B

Saladino/Lawrie 2B

Avila? C

Anderson SS

 

Quintana L

Gonzalez R

Rodon L

Rodriguez R

Fulmer R

That rotation... yikes

[Chicago White Sox]

I really think Sale and Robertson for Benintenidi, Kopech, Groome, Rodriguez, and Vasquez is pretty fair, but unrealistic given our obsession with Bradley

That's not enough for Sale, would need Devers too.

[southsider2k5]

That's the whole point with me. If you are rebuilding, why are you trading for a guy who will be 27 next season? Go young with the rebuild, don't half ass it like we've been doing with the "retooling".

 

Because we all know the Sox aren't burning this to the ground. Even a rebuild will have a much shorter window than your typical rebuild with an eye on competing ASAP.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I really don't think they rebuild. I am thinking they do end up dealing Sale, but instead of rebuilding, it's sort of a retooling. Move Sale and get JBJ, Devers, Kopech, and Rodriguez and then grab someone who can play LF and move Melky to DH. If they did something like that, next year could be really interesting:

 

Eaton RF

JBJ CF

Abreu 1B

Cespedes LF

Melky DH

Frazier 3B

Saladino/Lawrie 2B

Avila? C

Anderson SS

 

Quintana L

Gonzalez R

Rodon L

Rodriguez R

Fulmer R

 

They aren't giving up the 12th pick in the draft to sign Cespedes

 

[Balta1701]

Because we all know the Sox aren't burning this to the ground. Even a rebuild will have a much shorter window than your typical rebuild with an eye on competing ASAP.

Then they better f***ing nail every single player they bring back in any major trades, because if they're willing to accept less overall talent to try to make things happen faster they create much less of a cushion for a bust.

[ChiSox59]

I really don't think they rebuild. I am thinking they do end up dealing Sale, but instead of rebuilding, it's sort of a retooling. Move Sale and get JBJ, Devers, Kopech, and Rodriguez and then grab someone who can play LF and move Melky to DH. If they did something like that, next year could be really interesting:

 

Eaton RF

JBJ CF

Abreu 1B

Cespedes LF

Melky DH

Frazier 3B

Saladino/Lawrie 2B

Avila? C

Anderson SS

 

Quintana L

Gonzalez R

Rodon L

Rodriguez R

Fulmer R

 

Rotation is pretty brutal, and Rodriguez throws with his left hand.

[iamshack]

Rotation is pretty brutal, and Rodriguez throws with his left hand.

It's not brutal if Rodon and Rodriguez take the next step in their development. It's not Sale/Q/Rodon, but we all know where that plan got us.

[beautox]

With how thin the market on starting pitching is let alone impact starting pitching the white sox should cash in. Rich Hill is the best option of the market this year. If Boston wants Sale then they'll have to pony up and JBJr shouldn't even be in the conversation he'll be 27 on opening day and is about to be very expensive due to his super 2 status, he'll have 4 ARB years.

 

I would expect a package around Chris to look like this: LF/CF Andrew Benintendi, 2B Yoan Moncada, C/OF Blake Swihart, LHP Jason Groome (who is eligible to be traded after the world series) and RHRP Trey Ball.

 

If Sale is moved there is no reason not to move on everyone except Anderson, Rodon & possibly Eaton, as he could be a part of the next divisional title, due to his age and contract.

[SoxAce]

With how thin the market on starting pitching is let alone impact starting pitching the white sox should cash in. Rich Hill is the best option of the market this year. If Boston wants Sale then they'll have to pony up and JBJr shouldn't even be in the conversation he'll be 27 on opening day and is about to be very expensive due to his super 2 status, he'll have 4 ARB years.

 

I would expect a package around Chris to look like this: LF/CF Andrew Benintendi, 2B Yoan Moncada, C/OF Blake Swihart, LHP Jason Groome (who is eligible to be traded after the world series) and RHRP Trey Ball.

 

If Sale is moved there is no reason not to move on everyone except Anderson, Rodon & possibly Eaton, as he could be a part of the next divisional title, due to his age and contract.

 

We're definitely on the same page here.

[Black_Jack29]

I think Moncada needs another year in AAA. His cup of coffee was weak. Benintend's bat was ML ready but his play in LF was sketchy at times . In fairness to the kid, he also skipped AAA so his problems in LF were understandable. I assume you are not thinking those 3 are in the same deal by the way. I think Moncada can be had for the right price but I really think JBJ and Benintendi are not going anywhere.

 

A lot of the better prospects never see AAA (especially those as talented as Benintiendi), so that doesn't surprise me. I haven't seen much of him, but I know that playing LF in Fenway can be challenging.

 

No, I realize that there's no way that Benintiendi, Moncada, and JBJ are all dealt for Sale. But I do think that either Benintiendi or Moncada needs to be a part of the deal. And I would understand why Dombrowski wouldn't want to deal JBJ along with Benintiendi, but that would mean that he'd have to pony up more prospects.

 

With JBJ, what it boils down to is whether Dombrowski wants to give up a proven ML player and try to replace him via free agency, or give up more of his farm system. Most teams would probably prefer to hang on to a player like JBJ, who will be semi-expensive yearly, but won't come with a long-term commitment than overpay for somebody like Fowler in free agency. Then again, the Red Sox have a lot more money than most teams. I honestly don't know what Dombrowski would prefer to do.

 

[Black_Jack29]

If Sale is moved there is no reason not to move on everyone except Anderson, Rodon & possibly Eaton, as he could be a part of the next divisional title, due to his age and contract.

 

If you're going to keep Eaton, you may as well keep Q who is under contract through 2020.

 

 

[Flash Tizzle]

Then they better f***ing nail every single player they bring back in any major trades, because if they're willing to accept less overall talent to try to make things happen faster they create much less of a cushion for a bust.

Exactly, if we're just supposed to assume the White Sox are trying to shorten any rebuild then there's no room for error. Hell, there's already little room for error as it is knowing any potential Q or Sale trade NEEDS to be successful for this franchise to move forward.

[Bob Sacamano]

A deal has to at least include one of Benintendi/JBJ (Betts I'd imagine is untouchable), one of Moncada/Devers and Eduardo Rodriguez. And then likely 2 of Kopech, Johnson and Groome.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

A deal has to at least include one of Benintendi/JBJ (Betts I'd imagine is untouchable), one of Moncada/Devers and Eduardo Rodriguez. And then likely 2 of Kopech, Johnson and Groome.

I'd be happy with Benintendi/Moncada/Rodriguez/Kopech/Groome but I'd think the Red Sox wouldn't do that.

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd be happy with Benintendi/Moncada/Rodriguez/Kopech/Groome but I'd think the Red Sox wouldn't do that.

 

Yeah probably not. Maybe subtract an arm and take Swihart to catch?

[Jose Abreu]

The problem with wanting both Benintendi AND Moncada is

 

A. Boston wouldn't do that and

 

B. That would severely lessen the likelihood of getting guys like Kopech/Groome/Devers as well, who are much better than our prospects too

[Bob Sacamano]

The problem with wanting both Benintendi AND Moncada is

 

A. Boston wouldn't do that and

 

B. That would severely lessen the likelihood of getting guys like Kopech/Groome/Devers as well, who are much better than our prospects too

 

I think a deal is more likely to be Benintendi/Devers or JBJ/Moncada as top 2 pieces. And then you would fill in the rest of the pieces/prospects.

[Bob Sacamano]

I know people hate that JBJ only has 4 years of control, but I'm sure the Sox will try to compete in that time. Or he plays about the same and you flip him for more prospects in a year or two lengthening the haul of whichever starter we would trade in a potential deal.

Edited October 18, 2016 by soxfan2014

[Jose Abreu]

I know people hate that JBJ only has 4 years of control, but I'm sure the Sox will try to compete in that time. Or he plays about the same and you flip him for more prospects in a year or two.

Then why not just get the better prospects from Boston, for the more valuable player in Sale? Acquiring Bradley and flipping him seems like defeating the purpose of trading Sale.

[Eminor3rd]

I think it's a track record thing. He has about 800 ABs over the last 2 seasons now of about an .834 OPS though, so I don't think he's all that overrated. Major downsides of a JBJ trade are control and age.

 

I can get behind the control thing, it just seems like people think he's a bad player.

 

He fell off offensively this year. We know what we're getting defensively, but his offense is still a question mark.

 

He didn't, though. He went from a .355 wOBA to a .354. His K rate actually dropped significantly while his walk rate stayed essentially the same. His average and OBP rose. If anything, he provided evidence that his strong half season in 2015 wasn't a fluke.