2016 Presidential Election Thread

[BigSqwert]

Maybe you need to get out of your bubble if you don't think white people hug those people. I agree with DB and I'm an Islamic studies minor and the girl I spent the longest portion of my life with is a Muslim. I worked at a restaurant where the kitchen workers were Mexican and servers were all gay. We hug, mess around and get drinks after work regularly. My best friend is black and hanging out with him has had me in environments where I'm one of the only white people. It's not that crazy if you live in or around a big city.

My point is that racism is rampant and it's being exposed out in the open because of the Trump campaign. DB is going out of his way to dismiss it.

[BigHurt3515]

It's simply this:

 

It's easy for you to say it'll all be ok, when the major policies that are likely to be enacted won't affect you the way they'll affect minorities, women and gays.

 

You saying it'll all be ok is you speaking from a place of white male privilege. The fear people have who don't look the way you do is very real, and it's very well-founded.

 

White male privileged?

I am still waiting to see what Trump has said or done to make everyone think something that major is going to happen to drastically affect those groups. The "white male privileged " weren't out protesting and lighting flags on fire when Obama became President.

[CrimsonWeltall]

The "white male privileged " weren't out protesting and lighting flags on fire when Obama became President.

 

Why would they be?

[chw42]

It's not all that simple. The democrats candidate ran on Trump being a racist. so when something racist happened, the media made it a big story. So the lowest common denominator would be representative of half the country according to simpletons. I have yet to see CNN report on the group black kids beating up a middle aged white man because he voted for Trump

 

Trump did that to himself when he said Mexicans were rapists and criminals when he first decided to run for the Republican nomination. The Clinton camp didn't make him say that. He painted himself as a racist and the Democrats used that to attack him, which honestly, is just politics.

[BigHurt3515]

Why would they be?

 

Shouldn't they have been worried for what Obama might have done? No matter who is President there will always be groups of people in the United States that are worried. But for some reason it a much bigger deal when those worried are minorites.

 

[StrangeSox]

Shouldn't they have been worried for what Obama might have done? No matter who is President there will always be groups of people in the United States that are worried. But for some reason it a much bigger deal when those worried are minorites.

 

Because we have a few centuries of history as a full-blown white supremacist country.

[Soxbadger]

This conversation is going nowhere.

 

A bunch of black people tearing a Trump supporter out of his car and beating him and driving off while he clings to it is terrible.

 

Minorities being bullied, threatened, harassed, and assaulted is terrible.

 

This thread is an exact reason why we'll never stand united. It's always just a pissing match. Can you children please grow up and talk about the issues? Do it over in the President-Elect thread, as well. The election is over.

 

What issues? More jobs are going to magically appear in sectors that have been dying forever. We are going to invent a new form of economics where tariffs dont hurt the economy. And we are going to make sure that the elite are given more money and more power because only they can save the common man from himself.

 

Were good on policies, so now lets return to arguing about how criminals are representative (insert your enemy's party here) of the party. Or maybe a meme war, I think that could solve America. Ever see the "Arthur fist" that one people seem to love.

[chw42]

Why would they be?

 

It's not like we didn't have this group of raging racists constantly posting Obama's a socialist athiest muslim on social media for 8 years or anything...

 

They'd never get away with demonstrating against that in real life cause there's consequences to that. They're racist deep down but would never let everyone know that. Only the hardcore white nationalists would even dare.

 

 

[BigHurt3515]

The Left at least has merit when it comes to what Trump said about Mexicans and Muslims. That's simply inexcusable. Though his words were twisted a bit on Muslims because he was referring to terrorists or extremists at points. Why the left is crying for the LGBT community and blaming Trump (Pence fine, Trump no) I don't understand. Trump spoke out against the whole NC bathroom debacle and brings out rainbow flags at his rallies. He has stated multiple times he doesn't care which bathrooms trans people use at his hotel.

 

Pretty much all his words are twisted or people hear what they want to hear. He wants illegal immigrants out that pose a threat to our country. But people hear Muslim or Mexican and assume he means the whole race when it isn't the case.

 

[illinilaw08]

The Left at least has merit when it comes to what Trump said about Mexicans and Muslims. That's simply inexcusable. Though his words were twisted a bit on Muslims because he was referring to terrorists or extremists at points. Why the left is crying for the LGBT community and blaming Trump (Pence fine, Trump no) I don't understand. Trump spoke out against the whole NC bathroom debacle and brings out rainbow flags at his rallies. He has stated multiple times he doesn't care which bathrooms trans people use at his hotel.

 

The biggest issue with Trump on LGBT rights is his choice of replacement for Scalia and for any other justice that steps down during Trump's presidency. The list of justices that Trump released during his campaign are all hard line right wing justices. Conservatives, since Obergfell, have decried activist judges who dared to provide gays with the right to marry. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that, even if Trump doesn't care about those issues personally, his administration, and those that he appoints to his administration, will actively work to undo the progress made on LGBT rights over the last 20 years.

[BigSqwert]

But for some reason it a much bigger deal when those worried are minorites.

 

Yeah it's a much bigger deal because their lives can literally be in danger.

[bmags]

The biggest issue with Trump on LGBT rights is his choice of replacement for Scalia and for any other justice that steps down during Trump's presidency. The list of justices that Trump released during his campaign are all hard line right wing justices. Conservatives, since Obergfell, have decried activist judges who dared to provide gays with the right to marry. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that, even if Trump doesn't care about those issues personally, his administration, and those that he appoints to his administration, will actively work to undo the progress made on LGBT rights over the last 20 years.

 

It won't be with Scalia, issue will be if RBG/Kennedy/Breyer need to retire/die. RBG is 84.

[BigSqwert]

Pretty much all his words are twisted or people hear what they want to hear. He wants illegal immigrants out that pose a threat to our country. But people hear Muslim or Mexican and assume he means the whole race when it isn't the case.

Yup. It's all just a big misunderstanding. When he cheered on folks to beat up colored people protesting at his rallies he was actually cheering on a ball game he was listening to in his earpiece. He's also the biggest feminist I know. Loves the ladies if you know what I mean.

Edited November 10, 2016 by BigSqwert

[chw42]

Thankfully we have the regressive left on social media to remind us that everyone is racist. There's no hiding from them.

 

That's absolutely a reaction to the type of posts I just mentioned post election in 2008. While I sometimes don't like just how sensitive the liberal media is and how they like to exaggerate things out of proportion, the far right's reaction to Obama in 2008 was despicable.

[BigHurt3515]

Yup. It's all just a big misunderstanding. When he cheered on folks to beat up colored people protesting at his rallies he was actually cheering on a ball game he was listening to in his earpiece. He's also the biggest feminist I know. Loves the ladies if you know what I mean.

 

Yeah I am sure he was like "oh a colored person protesting, everyone beat him up"

There could be no other rational explanation

 

Yeah he is a douche towards women but not sure what law he will put in place to put their lives into danger

Edited November 10, 2016 by BigHurt3515

[Soxbadger]

Remember that time everyone in America got tricked into thinking that it was all about a "race" fight when really they should be having a "class" fight.

 

One day, someone will wake up and realize that while everyone was fighting some mythical "race" war, the elites were taking all of the money and all of the power.

 

Rich businessman who inherited millions now "people's champion", the great defender of American industry, who almost exclusively uses foreign industry for his own products. Not saying that Clinton is any different, but, you are basically watching people hand over their money to the extreme wealthy, and they are doing it with a big grin thinking that they somehow won.

 

If I wanted to be super selfish about everything, I doubt that Trump will in anyway hurt me. But you know me, that damn "liberal", I have to have this stupid conscience where I try and do what I think is best for everyone.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Soxbadger

[illinilaw08]

Pretty much all his words are twisted or people hear what they want to hear. He wants illegal immigrants out that pose a threat to our country. But people hear Muslim or Mexican and assume he means the whole race when it isn't the case.

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases...lim-immigration

 

This is from Trump's campaign website in December of 2015 calling for a complete ban on Muslims entering the country.

 

Here's Trump on the Mexican-American judge on the bench in the case vs. Trump University.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/03/politics/don...mp-tapper-lead/

 

This isn't a twisting of words. Trump said a number of things during his campaign that were anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican. I can't believe that's even a debate.

[CrimsonWeltall]

Why is the regressive left doing that now?

 

They're upset and scared of the changes he'll bring. The anti-Mexican and anti-Muslim comments you cited above would be part of that. I'm white, but I can understand why any racial or religious minority would not feel too good right now. It would also include the potential damages to reproductive rights, gay rights, the environment, etc.

[Jenksismyhero]

Yup. It's all just a big misunderstanding. When he cheered on folks to beat up colored people protesting at his rallies he was actually cheering on a ball game he was listening to in his earpiece. He's also the biggest feminist I know. Loves the ladies if you know what I mean.

 

Dude got 52% of the woman vote. More than a woman candidate. Clearly a big chunk of women didn't care about him calling Rosie O'Donnell fat or having some bro-talk with a hot mic. The sexism cry is so overblown.

 

 

[BigSqwert]

This isn't a twisting of words. Drumpf said a number of things during his campaign that were anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican. I can't believe that's even a debate.

 

Mind-boggling to see revisionist history so soon.

[BigSqwert]

Dude got 52% of the woman vote. More than a woman candidate. Clearly a big chunk of women didn't care about him calling Rosie O'Donnell fat or having some bro-talk with a hot mic. The sexism cry is so overblown.

 

Perhaps you can give me pointers later when my young daughter asks why the President says he can grab women by the p****y.

[Jenksismyhero]

Remember that time everyone in America got tricked into thinking that it was all about a "race" fight when really they should be having a "class" fight.

 

One day, someone will wake up and realize that while everyone was fighting some mythical "race" war, the elites were taking all of the money and all of the power.

 

Rich businessman who inherited millions now "people's champion", the great defender of American industry, who almost exclusively uses foreign industry for his own products. Not saying that Clinton is any different, but, you are basically watching people hand over their money to the extreme wealthy, and they are doing it with a big grin thinking that they somehow won.

 

If I wanted to be super selfish about everything, I doubt that Trump will in anyway hurt me. But you know me, that damn "liberal", I have to have this stupid conscience where I try and do what I think is best for everyone.

 

They've always had it.

[CrimsonWeltall]

Shouldn't they have been worried for what Obama might have done? No matter who is President there will always be groups of people in the United States that are worried. But for some reason it a much bigger deal when those worried are minorites.

 

Obama's campaign didn't involve both subtle and overt racism against white people.

[CrimsonWeltall]

Dude got 52% of the woman vote. More than a woman candidate. Clearly a big chunk of women didn't care about him calling Rosie O'Donnell fat or having some bro-talk with a hot mic. The sexism cry is so overblown.

 

That's 52% of white women. He lost women as a whole by 12 points (54-42).

[Soxbadger]

Dude got 52% of the woman vote. More than a woman candidate. Clearly a big chunk of women didn't care about him calling Rosie O'Donnell fat or having some bro-talk with a hot mic. The sexism cry is so overblown.

 

My bigger problem is if youre a party that wants to legislate morality/religion, you should actually hold yourself accountable. A bit hypocritical to be talking about laws on marriage, when you are running a President who has been married multiple times.

 

Not sure if history books still go back before the year 2000, but there was a time when "divorce" was against the law in many European countries. Damn Henry VIII and his progressive/ liberal values.