nitetrain8601 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 It really bothered me the moment it happened when Roberts decided it was more important to get Chapman out of the game, to the point that he would gladly walk inferior hitters. At that point, he lost sight of the task at hand which was getting out of that inning unscathed. After seeing him for a year, pulling guys with no hitters, I'm sorry, but to me it's been obvious he is worse than Mattingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Man, would y'all stfu about Cubs fans. Who cares what they say on twitter or FB or at the bar or what f***ing ever. This team is god-like. They're going on a Braves-like run and ain't s*** anybody can do about it. I'll never openly root for the Cubs but them winning it all might force that other Chicago team to not be awful at just about every aspect of baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 08:02 AM) Man, would y'all stfu about Cubs fans. Who cares what they say on twitter or FB or at the bar or what f***ing ever. This team is god-like. They're going on a Braves-like run and ain't s*** anybody can do about it. I'll never openly root for the Cubs but them winning it all might force that other Chicago team to not be awful at just about every aspect of baseball. Their position players remind me very much of those Indians teams from the 90's. They are just going to be stacked at almost every position. It would be nice if you would remove your head from their ass, however. Also, those Indians teams had like, what, 4 HoF'ers, and how many WS titles did they win? Edited October 16, 2016 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:09 AM) Their position players remind me very much of those Indians teams from the 90's. They are just going to be stacked at almost every position. It would be nice if you would remove your head from their ass, however. Also, those Indians teams had like, what, 4 HoF'ers, and how many WS titles did they win? To hell with titles. They're going to be in the playoffs or damn close to the playoffs every year for the next decade. That's all that matters in a sport like baseball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 08:20 AM) To hell with titles. They're going to be in the playoffs or damn close to the playoffs every year for the next decade. That's all that matters in a sport like baseball... For whom? The fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) To hell with titles. They're going to be in the playoffs or damn close to the playoffs every year for the next decade. That's all that matters in a sport like baseball... What? Worst post of the year. Of course titles matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Man, would y'all stfu about Cubs fans. Who cares what they say on twitter or FB or at the bar or what f***ing ever. This team is god-like. They're going on a Braves-like run and ain't s*** anybody can do about it. I'll never openly root for the Cubs but them winning it all might force that other Chicago team to not be awful at just about every aspect of baseball. Thank you! At best, we can hope that this puts immense pressure on the sox organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) For whom? The fans? The smart ones. If you can consistently survive the 162 game blob that is baseball regular season and give yourself a chance come October then you're winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) What? Worst post of the year. Of course titles matter. Of course they matter, but what the poster was suggesting that is in baseball, every team has a chance once they make the playoffs. If you have a perennial playoff bound team every year, that is the pinnacle of an organization in baseball. FOr instance, I would take a playoff team for 10 years straight over 1 championship and 9 other years of terrible play. Edited October 16, 2016 by iWin4Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) The fact that my buddies that are Cubs fans think that it's a given the Cubs win the Series by getting past the Dodgers is comical. That's my biggest issue with Cubs fans. As soon as they get a nice team, they get cocky. Oh, never mind the fact that they haven't won the World Series in 108 years, minor detail. The Indians are actually rolling even better than the Cubs right now as evidenced by their 5-0 record in the playoffs against two very good AL East teams. They don't have the same name recognition as the Cubs but their offense is very good (5th in baseball in runs scored, Cubs 3rd), defense is sound (5th best defense according to fangraphs, Cubs 1st), better bullpen including the best reliever in baseball, ace (Kluber) to match Lester, better manager, and home field advantage. Plus they seem to have all the intangibles going their way right now. If they can line up Kluber for Game 1, they will not be an easy out. The tribe are playing good baseball right now, but their rotation is very weak after Kluber. The Cubs rotation is much much better. Bullpens are pretty close to even too. Cubs will be heavy favorites to win if they meet up next round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) The smart ones. If you can consistently survive the 162 game blob that is baseball regular season and give yourself a chance come October then you're winning. Well of course...that is obviously better than the alternative...but in the end, it's about titles. I'll take my '05 WS title over my wife's memories of 17-4 victories at the Jake any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) The tribe are playing good baseball right now, but their rotation is very weak after Kluber. The Cubs rotation is much much better. Bullpens are pretty close to even too. Cubs will be heavy favorites to win if they meet up next round. Everyone keeps saying this, but they've fared pretty well against two of the best offenses in baseball over the last 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:34 AM) Of course they matter, but what the poster was suggesting that is in baseball, every team has a chance once they make the playoffs. If you have a perennial playoff bound team every year, that is the pinnacle of an organization in baseball. FOr instance, I would take a playoff team for 10 years straight over 1 championship and 9 other years of terrible play. Not me. I take the title all day. Only in Chicago would baseball fans celebrate postseason baseball without winning it all (and yes that goes for both sides of town). Yankees and Cardinals fans laugh at this notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Not me. I take the title all day. Only in Chicago would baseball fans celebrate postseason baseball without winning it all (and yes that goes for both sides of town). Yankees and Cardinals fans laugh at this notion. The only reason Yankees and CArdinals fans 'laugh' at this notion is because they are the picture perfect organizations where playoffs come almost every year (well, at least at an extremely high rate). Success in baseball is getting into the playoffs, that's a winning club. The casual fan needs that. As a life time sox fan, I only truly care about the W'sox when they have a winning club. This year I was invested in the first 30 games or so, the last 132 I didn't observe once. Cubs, on the other hand, I would check out the scoreboard, see what was going on all the time. The casual fan simply wants the chance to cheer for the team. Having a team that gets into the playoffs offers that chance. I'd much, much, prefer a team that doesn't win a title but keeps me invested for 10 years in the playoffs compared to a team that wins 1 title and then has me not caring about it for 9 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) The tribe are playing good baseball right now, but their rotation is very weak after Kluber. The Cubs rotation is much much better. Bullpens are pretty close to even too. Cubs will be heavy favorites to win if they meet up next round. Is it? Lester was good in the AL but he wasn't great (career ERA in AL roughly 0.2 runs better than Miguel Gonzalez). Obviously Arrieta sucked in the AL but then "figured it out" with the Cubs or so they say. Hendricks looked very hittable his last two outings and Lackey is an old man. Even with their injuries, the Tribe staff has shut down two offenses as good as the Cubs this postseason. Edited October 16, 2016 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) The only reason Yankees and CArdinals fans 'laugh' at this notion is because they are the picture perfect organizations where playoffs come almost every year (well, at least at an extremely high rate). Success in baseball is getting into the playoffs, that's a winning club. The casual fan needs that. As a life time sox fan, I only truly care about the W'sox when they have a winning club. This year I was invested in the first 30 games or so, the last 132 I didn't observe once. Cubs, on the other hand, I would check out the scoreboard, see what was going on all the time. The casual fan simply wants the chance to cheer for the team. Having a team that gets into the playoffs offers that chance. I'd much, much, prefer a team that doesn't win a title but keeps me invested for 10 years in the playoffs compared to a team that wins 1 title and then has me not caring about it for 9 years. They laugh because they count titles, not postseason appearances, because that's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) Man, would y'all stfu about Cubs fans. Who cares what they say on twitter or FB or at the bar or what f***ing ever. This team is god-like. They're going on a Braves-like run and ain't s*** anybody can do about it. I'll never openly root for the Cubs but them winning it all might force that other Chicago team to not be awful at just about every aspect of baseball. It's easier said than done, dude. What will you say to the assholes of the fan base when they will hum for years and years about this and the dynasty for years to come? I am not one who is going to take it and will have to say something instead of get s*** on for the next decade. The team is fine (not a fan of three of the players antics) but I know I'll need something to point out how big of jackasses people are. It won't have anything to do with baseball but it will have logic and facts to show how big of assholes some people can be. Edited October 16, 2016 by SpankyEaton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) To hell with titles. They're going to be in the playoffs or damn close to the playoffs every year for the next decade. That's all that matters in a sport like baseball... This is beyond silly. Yes, the baseball playoffs are a crap shoot but if you think just making the playoffs comes close to winning a championship for the fans or the players then you're out of your freaking mind. I mean 2008 was just as cool as 05, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Winning a Championship >>> Getting into the playoffs Getting into the playoffs for 10 years straight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having 1 championship and 9 years of losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 This is the dumbest argument ever. Guarantee every single Cubs fan would accept 9 years of winning no games if it means one championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 How many of us would be saying this whole "playoffs are worth more than titles" sentiment before or without 05? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 10 years in the postseason is NOT better than 1 WS. The best you can do is make the playoffs every year and play your best in the postseason. It's a lot of luck, so it's not out of the realm of possibilities the Cubs still don't win the World Series under Theo. Edited October 16, 2016 by Deadpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) How many of us would be saying this whole "playoffs are worth more than titles" sentiment before or without 05? Absolutely no one. In fact Soxtalk is full of pre October 26, 2005 posts about how they wouldn't care what happened if we could only win it once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) Man, would y'all stfu about Cubs fans. Who cares what they say on twitter or FB or at the bar or what f***ing ever. This team is god-like. They're going on a Braves-like run and ain't s*** anybody can do about it. I'll never openly root for the Cubs but them winning it all might force that other Chicago team to not be awful at just about every aspect of baseball. Scary thing about the Cubs is they are so good defensively and have such good pitching. I knew they'd pound SF. A Conor Gillaspie can get lucky and get hot for a week. The Cubs have good/great players and great pitching and defense. They are a lock to win it all. That said about the discussion here. If they don't win it all this year, they're a failure. I guess they could point to baby steps in saying they at least made the WS for the first time since 45, but it'd be a failure of a year. Cubs are that good. Those great Detroit teams proved there are no guarantees, however. s*** can happen but I think talent will prevail here. That acquisition of Chapman was huge. We should have beaten them to the punch and traded them Robertson for four players like the Yankees did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) Absolutely no one. In fact Soxtalk is full of pre October 26, 2005 posts about how they wouldn't care what happened if we could only win it once. You have to sell your soul so to speak for one title if you are a Sox fan. I'm sure I felt the same way. Thanking Kenny and Jerry for the one title in a lifetime. It does grow old not having squat since but the one title was worth the ensuing 10 years of crap for sure. Hopefully the Sox will somehow get their act together but there's so much rebuilding to be done just to be a playoff team. It's going to be tough to get back to the WS in the next nine years which can go by fast. One WS in 20 years isn't great for a city as big as Chicago, but what the hell. Nothing we can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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