Chris Getz to take over player development

[southsider2k5]

I never said now it can't be talked about. Show me one post where I wrote that. I just said it was funny Getz is discussed more before he even started and anyone knows what he's about than Capra got in 5 years, when there was plenty of complaining that could have been directed his way. Even in the new coaches thread, not a peep about Capra's job performance.

 

Quit making things up.

 

Awesome. Then quit trolling people for doing so. Thanks!

[Dick Allen]

Awesome. Then quit trolling people for doing so. Thanks!

Good one. For a mod you sure do start a lot of arguments. You really should resign or be fired from that position so at least people could ignore you.

 

Why aren't you fighting rabbit and Joshua Strong who said the same thing I did?

 

Just remember, this is the post that sent you in a tizzy. There is nothing inaccurate about it.

 

How many times has Nick Capra's job performance been discussed on this board?

 

Getz has already received more play and he hasn't even started yet.

 

This post has been edited by Dick Allen: Yesterday, 12:37 PM

Edited October 18, 2016 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

Five years ago...or four, the White Sox were actually fielding competitive teams, at least in 2010 and 2012.

 

Even then, though, there was concern about position player development with Beckham backsliding and Viciedo bouncing from position to position.

 

The Sox were lucky Sale and then Quintana in 2012 covered up for much of the mess in that aspect of operations, but there were plenty upset Bell had such influence to bring in Teahen and then push for an unwarranted extension. Bell still has ties to the Royals, and it would be shocking if either Hostetler (ties to Dayton Moore/Atlanta) or Bell weren't the driving force behind this, along with Hahn.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Capra

Let's compare Capra's resume before assuming that position and Chris Getz's scant resume. The common theme is everyone I've looked at had at least eight years of experience in either scouting, minor league managing or as a bench coach/roving or infield instructor.

 

[Dick Allen]

Yeah, you need 7 years to perform brain surgery. You need 8 years to be Buddy Bell's assistant. LMAO.

[he gone.]

Maybe they'll hire Brian Anderson as the MiLB head of hitting instruction!

 

I think I just made up that title, but I'm sure we could find him a job.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Gabe Kapler retired in 2012. he coached one year in the WBC for Team Israel. 1 year later he became the Director of Player Development for the Dodgers without any experience. He's super into analytics and nutrition and converted all of the prospect meals into gluten free stuff. Maybe Chris Getz is similar to Kapler where he has an actual "player development plan" that delves into nutrition, analytics and other factors. We have no idea. But assuming it's a s***ty hire because it's the White Sox is incredibly short-sighted and it's honestly b****ing just to b****.

[caulfield12]

Surely the White Sox should have learned something from the Ventura debacle...in terms of hiring someone with absolutely zero professional experience as a coach/manager. Likely the Tigers wouldn't have hired Ausmus with a do-over, and Mike Matheny's not exactly on firm ground in St. Louis, either.

 

The bigger question is why do winning MLB organizations or Top Ten minor league organizations always hire someone with vast/extensive experience for the Dir. of Player Development positions with their organizations if it doesn't matter?

Edited October 18, 2016 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Gabe Kapler retired in 2012. he coached one year in the WBC for Team Israel. 1 year later he became the Director of Player Development for the Dodgers without any experience. He's super into analytics and nutrition and converted all of the prospect meals into gluten free stuff. Maybe Chris Getz is similar to Kapler where he has an actual "player development plan" that delves into nutrition, analytics and other factors. We have no idea. But assuming it's a s***ty hire because it's the White Sox is incredibly short-sighted and it's honestly b****ing just to b****.

 

Everyone in baseball was talking about grooming him as a future manager.

 

His name even came up here occasionally as a Ventura replacement.

 

Assuming Getz has the same amount of respect and leadership qualities as Kapler is a bit far-fetched. Thankfully, it can all be settled quite easily with a FutureSox in-depth interview.

 

http://kaplifestyle.com

The Kapler situation is one where he has soent his entire adult life studying areas of nutrition/diet, fitness, weight lifting and advanced analytics for all aspects. He's more like a life coach and motivational speaker.

 

He's a brand in the same way Jessica Alba's $1.4 billion valuated Honest Company is...and he wanted to use that LA market to his advantage in terms of marketing and career opportunities.

 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-s...1024-story.html

Kapler story...

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2016 by caulfield12

[Y2Jimmy0]

Everyone in baseball was talking about grooming him as a future manager.

 

His name even came up here occasionally as a Ventura replacement.

 

Assuming Getz has the same amount of respect and leadership qualities as Kapler is a bit far-fetched. Thankfully, it can all be settled quite easily with a FutureSox in-depth interview.

 

http://kaplifestyle.com

The Kapler situation is one where he has soent his entire adult life studying areas of nutrition/diet, fitness, weight lifting and advanced analytics for all aspects. He's more like a life coach and motivational speaker.

 

He's a brand in the same way Jessica Alba's $1.4 billion valuated Honest Company is...and he wanted to use that LA market to his advantage in terms of marketing and career opportunities.

 

 

I think they should have hired Jessica Alba as manager honestly.

[Thad Bosley]

The point is it's complaining about something no one ever considered complaining about before. Right up your alley.

 

No one knows anything about Chris Getz's ability to perform the job, so it is assumed, just like with whoever they hired, that he obviously is unqualified and JR just went into his little black book and made a call to hire him. He is not an inside hire.

LOL - you are funny. Colonel Complaint Officer Dick Allen, who spends 90% of his time around here whining and complaining about others when he feels they are whining and complaining about things, is now whining and complaining that nobody has whined or complained about Nick Capra in the past. Unbelievable! There's just no winning with this guy!!

 

[Dick Allen]

LOL - you are funny. Colonel Complaint Officer Dick Allen, who spends 90% of his time around here whining and complaining about others when he feels they are whining and complaining about things, is now whining and complaining that nobody has whined or complained about Nick Capra in the past. Unbelievable! There's just no winning with this guy!!

 

No, but the argument we complained plenty about him before, we just didn't mention him is you would have to agree laughable. 5 years of apparent failure, never a mention. A new hire, 0 days on the job, a total failure, White Sox loyalty hire. There is no realistic hire for this job that wouldn't have been looked at negatively. And it is a position those up in arms over this hire, didn't give a rat's ass about before Getz was hired.

 

I wonder if the White Sox ever hired Terry Francona as a manager how the loyalty police would get around that one. 5 years in the Sox system, only left to join Buddy Bell's staff in Detroit.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Dick Allen

[Boopa1219]

Gabe Kapler retired in 2012. he coached one year in the WBC for Team Israel. 1 year later he became the Director of Player Development for the Dodgers without any experience. He's super into analytics and nutrition and converted all of the prospect meals into gluten free stuff. Maybe Chris Getz is similar to Kapler where he has an actual "player development plan" that delves into nutrition, analytics and other factors. We have no idea. But assuming it's a s***ty hire because it's the White Sox is incredibly short-sighted and it's honestly b****ing just to b****.

 

Thank you!

[Thad Bosley]

No, but the argument we complained plenty about him before, we just didn't mention him is you would have to agree laughable. 5 years of apparent failure, never a mention. A new hire, 0 days on the job, a total failure, White Sox loyalty hire. There is no realistic hire for this job that wouldn't have been looked at negatively.

 

 

I wonder if the White Sox ever hired Terry Francona as a manager how the loyalty police would get around that one. 5 years in the Sox system, only left to join Buddy Bell's staff in Detroit.

The title of this thread is "Chris Getz to take over player development", not "Hey, how do you y'all think Nick Capra has done the past five years?". Why can't people simply share their opinions on Getz and his qualifications for this position without also having to conduct a post mortem on Capra? Like I said yesterday, if you want a discussion on how he did in the role, start up a thread on that. Meanwhile, it's really not germane to this discussion.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Thad Bosley

[Dick Allen]

The title of this thread is "Chris Getz to take over player development", not "Hey, how do you y'all think Nick Capra has done the past five years?". Why can't people simply share their opinions on Getz and his qualifications for this position without also having to conduct a post mortem on Capra? Like I said yesterday, if you want a discussion on how he did in the role, start up a thread on that. Meanwhile, it's really not germane to this discussion.

He didn't take over player development. He is Buddy Bell's lackey. Just like the guy with the Cubs works under McLeoad who works under Hoyer who works under Theo.

 

BTW, the Cubs front office, all loyalty hires.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Dick Allen

[Leonard Zelig]

The title of this thread is "Chris Getz to take over player development", not "Hey, how do you y'all think Nick Capra has done the past five years?". Why can't people simply share their opinions on Getz and his qualifications for this position without also having to conduct a post mortem on Capra? Like I said yesterday, if you want a discussion on how he did in the role, start up a thread on that. Meanwhile, it's really not germane to this discussion.

 

[Dick Allen]

The title of this thread is "Chris Getz to take over player development", not "Hey, how do you y'all think Nick Capra has done the past five years?". Why can't people simply share their opinions on Getz and his qualifications for this position without also having to conduct a post mortem on Capra? Like I said yesterday, if you want a discussion on how he did in the role, start up a thread on that. Meanwhile, it's really not germane to this discussion.

Take your own advise and put me on ignore. Do yourself a bigger favor and put the White Sox on ignore.

[Boopa1219]

Surely the White Sox should have learned something from the Ventura debacle...in terms of hiring someone with absolutely zero professional experience as a coach/manager. Likely the Tigers wouldn't have hired Ausmus with a do-over, and Mike Matheny's not exactly on firm ground in St. Louis, either.

 

The bigger question is why do winning MLB organizations or Top Ten minor league organizations always hire someone with vast/extensive experience for the Dir. of Player Development positions with their organizations if it doesn't matter?

 

Kaper does have previous managerial experience, both in the minors and WBC.

 

A lot of top teams in baseball have hired young people to run departments in their baseball ops. Like the Rangers with Daniels and Preller, Oakland and the Dodgers with guys like Zaidi, Kapler and Forst, and the Astros with guys like Goldstein and Elias to name a few.

 

Experience is not a guarantee of success.

[Thad Bosley]

Speaking of non-relevance to the discussion....

[caulfield12]

Kaper does have previous managerial experience, both in the minors and WBC.

 

A lot of top teams in baseball have hired young people to run departments in their baseball ops. Like the Rangers with Daniels and Preller, Oakland and the Dodgers with guys like Zaidi, Kapler and Forst, and the Astros with guys like Goldstein and Elias to name a few.

 

Experience is not a guarantee of success.

 

That's a whole different situation than working directly with minor leaguers players instructionally on a daily basis...requiring an even more specialized skillset and background intellectually.

[iamshack]

Gabe Kapler retired in 2012. he coached one year in the WBC for Team Israel. 1 year later he became the Director of Player Development for the Dodgers without any experience. He's super into analytics and nutrition and converted all of the prospect meals into gluten free stuff. Maybe Chris Getz is similar to Kapler where he has an actual "player development plan" that delves into nutrition, analytics and other factors. We have no idea. But assuming it's a s***ty hire because it's the White Sox is incredibly short-sighted and it's honestly b****ing just to b****.

And if the White Sox had the development in their system that the Dodgers have had over the past 10-15 years, I probably wouldn't have questioned the hire.

[caulfield12]

And if the White Sox had the development in their system that the Dodgers have had over the past 10-15 years, I probably wouldn't have questioned the hire.

 

Or the amount of investment...where they just write off the Hector Oliveras of the world and go back to the drawing board.

[southsider2k5]

Or the amount of investment...where they just write off the Hector Oliveras of the world and go back to the drawing board.

 

Yeah, it is hard to call writing large checks a strategy.

[caulfield12]

Yeah, it is hard to call writing large checks a strategy.

 

The Dodgers are like a MUCH larger budget version of the White Sox.

 

It seems Friedman knows what he wants to do in terms of retooling the franchise, but he's also under pressure (hence, all the veteran pitching signings and reclamation projects) to get to the playoffs each and every year.

 

At best, the idea that a GM who can be successful in a small market and instantly translate those same concepts on a bigger scale is a mixed bag so far...we'll see what happens when they've cleared all those guys he inherited like Ethier and Puig and it's almost all his own blueprint except for Kershaw.

 

Their minor league system is in very good shape, Urias looks like a keeper and Seager a future MVP, Toles came up and made a big contribution, Ryu and Maeda were both promising international finds who weren't "top dollar" guys, but there have also been plenty of relatively big mistakes as well.

Edited October 19, 2016 by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

The Dodgers have a massive front office infrastructure...they could afford to take a risk on Kapler.

 

Getz may be fine; but it just looks like another opening without a thorough search.

 

Kapler had been writing about analytics for a long time; I wonder if Getz knows analytics or is interested in it (pretty obvious that Hahn, despite his impressive degrees, knows very little about analytics; or at least he doesn't use it).

Edited October 19, 2016 by GreenSox

[caulfield12]

This. That whole idea about finding the "next big thing" or a market niche to be exploited.

 

The Royals created that idea of loading up the back of the bullpen. Everyone copied it and now 7th and 8th inning set-up guys (Giles/Miller/Herrera, etc.) are becoming just as valuable as the traditional 30/100 everyday players because of specialization.

 

If Getz was presenting some type of "grand vision" for changing the way the organization does things, that would be one thing. Kapler came on board with a glittery press conference. I'm not sure anyone noticed the Getz hiring outside of insider baseball circles and the industry itself.

 

Maybe Phil Rogers can be convinced to write an article, but even that's doubtful.