JoshPR Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 I wonder how many of those years will be with the Sox . In Loaiza's defense at least he's happy here.... Not like someone else that constantly says he wants to play for the cards. But heck, Mark is a good pitcher, no Doubt Just wanna know for how much longer with the sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 maggs is just too valuable to this team to get rid of... It depends. Let me ask you this, would you prefer Magglio or Jacque Jones, Bartolo Colon, and some top notch prospects we got for Magglio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 just look at the poll we have going now about loaiza...he turns his career around and could possibly win the cy young and we are calling him a traitor.. Dude..... one of the biggest tools started that thread. Before you start bashing the whole board because of one or two morons, why don't you consider the source of said Loaiza thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 If you say so, he LOST 3 straight games, 2 of which we needed badly. Loaiza's three starts were; 7 IP 7 H 5 ER 1 BB 9 K (not stellar, but not horrible either) The bad one when he was sick.... 6 IP 7 H 3 ER 3 BB 6 K (a quality start that is good enough to win most of the time) Give him some offense and he could have won 2 of the 3 starts. Abo, get you head out of the ass of W's and L's. It is a team game and takes more than one guy to win or lose. Can you say Elo didn't pitch his best? Yes. Is it accurate to say he choked? Hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Loaiza's three starts were; 7 IP 7 H 5 ER 1 BB 9 K (not stellar, but not horrible either) The bad one when he was sick.... 6 IP 7 H 3 ER 3 BB 6 K (a quality start that is good enough to win most of the time) Give him some offense and he could have won 2 of the 3 starts. Abo, get you head out of the ass of W's and L's. It is a team game and takes more than one guy to win or lose. Can you say Elo didn't pitch his best? Yes. Is it accurate to say he choked? Hell no. If you go by that logic, many of Buehrle's losses should be excused since he got no run support to start the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 I wonder how many of those years will be with the Sox . In Loaiza's defense at least he's happy here.... Not like someone else that constantly says he wants to play for the cards. But heck, Mark is a good pitcher, no Doubt Just wanna know for how much longer with the sox At least 3. And also, he has never flat out said he wants to pitch for STL. he's basically said he roots for the cards, who aren't even in our league or on our schedule this season, so i really don't see a problem with it. And if he does go to STL, I don't blame him, look at the way this organization operates. Would you want to play for the Sox if you were in his shoes? people ask questions, he gives an answer and is crucified for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 If you go by that logic, many of Buehrle's losses should be excused since he got no run support to start the season. Most here give MB a break knowing what happened earlier on in the season. You're one of the smarter posters here. I'm kind of surprised that you agree with Roman of all people in regards to Loaiza's last 3 starts. But hey..... to each his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 Ortiz this year: 28 homers 96 rbis .285 average...all career highs Konerko stats: 2002-27 homers 104 rbi's .304 avg. 2001-32 homers 99 rbi's .282avg. 2000-21 homers 97 rbi's .298avg. ...keep in mind the red sox have one of the greatest offenses in the history of baseball right now and also where they play...but that must not have anything to do with it.. Ivan Rodriguez makes 20% of his teams salary... Mike Sweeney makes 25% of his teams salary... Randy Johnson made 20% of the D-Backs salary when they won the World Series.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Most here give MB a break knowing what happened earlier on in the season. You're one of the smarter posters here. I'm kind of surprised that you agree with Roman of all people in regards to Loaiza's last 3 starts. But hey..... to each his own. I mean, the guy didn't pitch as bad as he could have, but then again, those were big games and he didn't exactly pitch lights out. Maybe we were all spoiled by the way he pitched all season. Maybe I expected too much from a guy who was considered the prime contender for the Cy Young award. I don't take anything from Loaiza and the year he had, but we didn't win those games for two reasons: no offense and he didn't pitch particularly well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Ortiz this year: 28 homers 96 rbis .285 average...all career highs Konerko stats: 2002-27 homers 104 rbi's .304 avg. 2001-32 homers 99 rbi's .282avg. 2000-21 homers 97 rbi's .298avg. ...keep in mind the red sox have one of the greatest offenses in the history of baseball right now and also where they play...but that must not have anything to do with it.. Ivan Rodriguez makes 20% of his teams salary... Mike Sweeney makes 25% of his teams salary... Randy Johnson made 20% of the D-Backs salary when they won the World Series.... Randy Johnson is an Impact player. Sweeney doesn't make that much cause the Royals Payroll is low and I Rod Makes 10 Million Deffered. Still there's better out there than Konerko and cheaper for a One Dimensional Player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 that last part was regarding maggs making 20% of the payroll next year....sorry if i confused you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 that last part was regarding maggs making 20% of the payroll next year....sorry if i confused you. I know what you meant DUH!!!! I was saying about Konerko the last part Cappiche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 This thread gets nominated for one of the 5 dumbest I've ever read. In fact, it's a blatant attempt to stir tempers and cause discussion that is not even warranted. The Sox are going nowhere and anyone who thinks that fans don't criticize teams everywhere has an ignorant view of the world and how things work. How about coming up with something of substance before making another post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Loaiza's three starts were; 7 IP 7 H 5 ER 1 BB 9 K (not stellar, but not horrible either) The bad one when he was sick.... 6 IP 7 H 3 ER 3 BB 6 K (a quality start that is good enough to win most of the time) Give him some offense and he could have won 2 of the 3 starts. Abo, get you head out of the ass of W's and L's. It is a team game and takes more than one guy to win or lose. Can you say Elo didn't pitch his best? Yes. Is it accurate to say he choked? Hell no. If you go by that logic, many of Buehrle's losses should be excused since he got no run support to start the season. No one is excusing anything......... but to say the guy choked reeks of baseball ignorance. It simply did not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 that last part was regarding maggs making 20% of the payroll next year....sorry if i confused you. The big difference between the Marlins and us is that the Marlins have much better young pitching talent. Their rotation includes Josh Beckett, Willis, Mark Redman, Carl Pavano, and Brad Penny and not one of those guys is making a lot of money. If we want to keep Maggs and Konerko there is a good possibility we go into next year with a rotation of 1. Buehrle 2. Garland 3. Loaiza 4. Wright 5. Cotts/Rauch sorry but I'm not sold on that rotation being able to win a division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 hey if u dont like it leave... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 i think garland can fill colons role for this team and hopefully one of those young pitchers will step it up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 hey if u dont like it leave... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 ? I'm sure he's talking to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 i think garland can fill colons role for this team and hopefully one of those young pitchers will step it up.. What makes you think that any of those guys will step up though. When a team has a limited budget, your best off building with pitching and defense. That is why Oakland has had success despite having a very low payroll over the last 3 or 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 that post is the dumbiest i have ever seen..what was the point of the post???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Ivan Rodriguez makes 20% of his teams salary... Mike Sweeney makes 25% of his teams salary... Randy Johnson made 20% of the D-Backs salary when they won the World Series.... There are exceptions to every rule. But I challenge you to look at the numbers of teams that have one player making too high a percentage of payroll, and I will be willing to be that the numbers bear out to the advantage of spreading it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 that post is the dumbiest i have ever seen..what was the point of the post???? Who the hell are you talking to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 This thread gets nominated for one of the 5 dumbest I've ever read. In fact, it's a blatant attempt to stir tempers and cause discussion that is not even warranted. The Sox are going nowhere and anyone who thinks that fans don't criticize teams everywhere has an ignorant view of the world and how things work. How about coming up with something of substance before making another post... He's talking about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 Who says we wont be an exception to that rule...maggs is a complete player and a fan favorite who can put people in the stands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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