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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 09:00 AM)
good use of the Walsh talking points memo when he attempted to walk that one back, though...

 

what boogeymen will the nra use with Obama and Clinton gone now? Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer want to take your guns away? they can't exactly hang that issue on Bernie Sanders, either

 

I thought I saw an article the other day showing stocks for gun manufacturers dipping. Good time to buy!

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 09:03 AM)
Business is way down for them now that a gun friendly administration is on its way in. Their sales are much better when there is fear.

They'll probably have blow out prices now. Now I can get that AR-15 I always wanted! Gotta protect the house you know.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:05 AM)
They'll probably have blow out prices now. Now I can get that AR-15 I always wanted! Gotta protect the house you know.

Went to Cabellas yesterday and it was pretty dead, they also had a pretty impressive collection of pre-owned.

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One of Britain’s most respected politicians says she acknowledges the election of future U.S. President Donald Drumpf but remains committed to challenging his excesses.

 

“During the campaign, I found so many of President-elect Drumpf’s comments to be deeply abhorrent, and I never want to be — I am not ever prepared to be — a politician who maintains a diplomatic silence in the face of attitudes of racism, sexism, misogyny or intolerance of any kind,” Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told the Scottish Parliament on Thursday. “We hope that President-elect Drumpf turns out to be a president who is very different from the kind of candidate that he was and that he reaches out to those who felt vilified by his campaign.”

 

As leader of the Scottish National Party, Sturgeon broke a diplomatic taboo before the election by publicly saying she supported Drumpf’s rival, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Her condemnation of “diplomatic silence” is in keeping with this unconventional approach.

 

It also echoes German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who pointedly noted in a Wednesday congratulatory message to Drumpf that U.S.-German ties rest on a shared concern for human rights and the rule of law.

 

To hear these kinds of statements after a U.S. election is surreal. The U.S. and other nations in its orbit often issue messages like this following votes in less developed countries where democracy is fragile.

 

With the election of a candidate who has endorsed using torture, banning individuals based on their religion and curtailing the freedom of the press, it’s America’s democracy that seems to be viewed as threatened.

 

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:37 AM)
Trump literally questioned the same process, the same election results and called for protest when Obama was elected. Its not entirely crazy that the same would happen to him.

 

If we are going to play that sort of a game as a country, the other side needs to shut up and accept the mandate of the election, right?

 

See how unproductive that is?

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:41 AM)
If we are going to play that sort of a game as a country, the other side needs to shut up and accept the mandate of the election, right?

 

See how unproductive that is?

I don't know if you really have a mandate if one wins the electoral college and one wins the popular vote.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:37 AM)
Trump literally questioned the same process, the same election results and called for protest when Obama was elected. Its not entirely crazy that the same would happen to him.

 

And now the same people who tried to force Trump to accept the election no matter what are talking about changing electoral votes and protesting in the street.

 

Again, see how unproductive the revenge thing is?

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God bless Harry Reid:

 

White nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump’s victory, while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear – especially African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans and Asian Americans. Watching white nationalists celebrate while innocent Americans cry tears of fear does not feel like America.

 

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QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:51 AM)
"Same People". Glad to know we've established that people on your facebook feed have the same power of their opinions as the President elect.

 

Again, we can go around and around in circles with who did what, who said what, etc. At the end of the day, this is the country it produces. If you want to take it a step further, the party who spent forever campaigning against the politics of fear, just spent an entire election cycle campaigning on fear, and how we have a scared country. Trump took advantage of fear from the other side to exploit it to his advantage.

 

This has gone great so far, maybe next time we can do it again!

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:54 AM)
Again, we can go around and around in circles with who did what, who said what, etc.

 

Reminder - the person that said it is the president elect.

 

The other people you are talking about will not be in the democratic leadership.

 

Can you tell me that you are confident that if a terrorist attack, even minor, happens on US soil when Trump is president we will see a presidential response?

 

Because if not the fear was justified.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:56 AM)
At some point the Republicans can take responsibility for themselves for electing this completely unqualified man who campaigned on punishing Americans. The party of personal responsibility.

 

Honestly, f*** the Republicans.

 

But that doesn't really fit the meme's, so whatever.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:57 AM)
Reminder - the person that said it is the president elect.

 

The other people you are talking about will not be in the democratic leadership.

 

Can you tell me that you are confident that if a terrorist attack, even minor, happens on US soil when Trump is president we will see a presidential response?

 

Because if not the fear was justified.

 

The people in the electoral college aren't in partisan leadership? Huh, that is new to me.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:58 AM)
Honestly, f*** the Republicans.

 

But that doesn't really fit the meme's, so whatever.

 

Right, but they have power. It's okay for people to speak up. And speaking up does not mean that it enables Trump.

 

The only thing that enables trump is voting for him. I know you didn't. I know you are against a lot of the awful things he said. But they also weren't directed at you, and to the people they were they are justifiably scared.

 

But the dem leadership has accepted the result. The president has reached out and all of the opponents are rooting for his success.

 

That does NOT mean Americans that he promised to punish need to accept the language of his candidacy.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:59 AM)
The people in the electoral college aren't in partisan leadership? Huh, that is new to me.

 

OK - fair enough but I guess I don't know what you are talking about then. I thought you were talking about the petition to have the electoral college overturn the results b/c clinton won pop vote.

 

 

But also, electors are a reflection of state party leadership and that does not always = what we mean when talking about the democratic party leaders.

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It's hard for most folks to be accepting of this result when just about everyone was saying, for the last 18 months, how dangerous it would be to elect this man. This includes the current President, past Presidents, and leadership from both major parties. All of a sudden we are supposed to erase all of those warnings from our minds?

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QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:56 AM)
At some point the Republicans can take responsibility for themselves for electing this completely unqualified man who campaigned on punishing Americans. The party of personal responsibility.

 

The problem with the republlican party was that they never backed a candidate and allowed 16 folks to roll out and campaign which was whittled down over time to Trump who while being a democrat 3 years ago figured out how to rally something and then after receiving the nomination further rallied something, I am not certain what and won the white house.

 

The democrats went with a candidate who 8 years ago lost to someone that had more (but not much) political experience than Trump and far less real world experience. Then after 8 years ran the same candidate out there who in the last 8 years didn't really wow anyone further...and who by the way was challenged by a 75 year old socialist from Vermont in a primary. During her campaign Hillary never rallied anyone for anything other than to tell everyone how bad Trump was.

 

Now the democrats are protesting...what they are protesting I am not certain but it just seems like protesting is the new thing to do.

 

Trump won becasue he rode a wave of bigatory/anti-PC/rhetoric.

 

I do not quite understand the plight of the transgender community (G/B/L I think I do) and while it was not an issue for me in this election I felt that something like the bathroom issue for a portion of the country was saying enough is enough.

 

The safe spaces and things of that nature, certainly at the university level appeared to be something that the Trump supporters got behind.

 

At this point, I think anyone the Republicans would have rolled out there would have won.

 

Bill Clinton was shown to not be much of an asset for Clinton and while you would think all minorities and women would back Clinton, that was not the case. The biggest issue was them stayign home in the battleground states. Staying home in Illinois means nothing, the Madigan democratic machine is stronger than ever but in the rust belt and other battleground states every vote mattered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:50 AM)
Sorry, I'll say it in different words.

 

Mr. Walsh said he wouldn't accept it if Mrs. Clinton was elected

 

THEN

 

Mr. Walsh was calling out people for not accepting Mr. Trump being elected.

 

Nothing to do with violence or guns or anything, but acceptance.

 

He's being hypocritical. But thanks for being so literal.

Joe was calling for people to keep fighting for their beliefs in a productive manner. To not turn tail and give up. *shaking my head*

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QUOTE (brett05 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 12:37 PM)
Joe was calling for people to keep fighting for their beliefs in a productive manner. To not turn tail and give up. *shaking my head*

 

So, "grabbing my musket" means fighting for their beliefs in a productive manner, but protesting is not productive? Just trying to understand.

 

Why is it ok for one group to not give up but the other HAS to give up? I understand that it's after the election, but Mr. Walsh said he was going to "grab his musket" if Trump lost. So, even the timing is the same.

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