caulfield12 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) See that's the fun part. If it were a Republican in office, we'd hear non-stop about the two failed wars in Libya and Syria, along with reigniting the cold war with Russia. Because we reinstituted a draft and committed hundreds of thousands of ground troops there. Those situations are remarkably analagous to Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea. US and Russia reverse the Cold War, box in China from west and east and dominate the world. Get it done, Team America. Edited December 30, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) Not exactly. Two choices. The other's name was Clinton. Bernie would have been fine not Hillary Nah. Got played. You especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) See that's the fun part. If it were a Republican in office, we'd hear non-stop about the two failed wars in Libya and Syria, along with reigniting the cold war with Russia. Republicans just have it so unfair, they can never get ahead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/02/politics/don...eech/index.html Dubai business partners hyped prominently by Trump at Mar-A-Lago New Year's Eve speech to 800 supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) You were mad about people getting paid to not work. It seems entirely relevant to the discussion. 1) Not mad 2) The Discussion was specific to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) See that's the fun part. If it were a Republican in office, we'd hear non-stop about the two failed wars in Libya and Syria, along with reigniting the cold war with Russia. Of course it goes both ways, partisans gonna partisan of course. I'm just shocked that republicans would be rallying behind a scumbag like Putin when their hero RR brought down the whole caboose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) Of course it goes both ways, partisans gonna partisan of course. I'm just shocked that republicans would be rallying behind a scumbag like Putin when their hero RR brought down the whole caboose. It really isn't though. We have seen the Dems rally behind winners like Fidel Castro, Che Guerva, and Iran in recent years. The whole Machiavelli thing is just disgusting though. But that is the overly simplisitic political system we have apparently put into place now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) It really isn't though. We have seen the Dems rally behind winners like Fidel Castro, Che Guerva, and Iran in recent years. The whole Machiavelli thing is just disgusting though. But that is the overly simplisitic political system we have apparently put into place now. "We don't want to bomb Iran" = "rally behind Iran". Spectacular doublespeak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Ford canceled plans for huge plant in mexico. 700 jobs added in detroit. Nice development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) Ford canceled plans for huge plant in mexico. 700 jobs added in detroit. Nice development. That's cute. Keep it up, Trump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) It really isn't though. We have seen the Dems rally behind winners like Fidel Castro, Che Guerva, and Iran in recent years. The whole Machiavelli thing is just disgusting though. But that is the overly simplisitic political system we have apparently put into place now. Che Guevara is just a brand for souvenir sales. Rallying around him? Who? Are we also rallying around Jim Morrison or Jimi Hendrix or Bob Marley? In all seriousness, there's no comparing a 45+ year battle of competing ideology with pawn/puppet states like Cuba, Iran and North Korea. And wanting to actually engage or open a dialogue with countries who have little realistic chance of doing harm to you is quite different from completely realigning the global political alliance system and throwing the entire civilized world into turmoil.How are they even close to comparable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) Ford canceled plans for huge plant in mexico. 700 jobs added in detroit. Nice development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-isnt-ex...-192945024.html Ford isn't exactly caving in to Trump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-isnt-ex...-192945024.html Ford isn't exactly caving in to Trump... WEll, duh. But he can literally take credit for water being wet and people believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 First carrier now ford... Trump is an absolute joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) It really isn't though. We have seen the Dems rally behind winners like Fidel Castro, Che Guerva, and Iran in recent years. The whole Machiavelli thing is just disgusting though. But that is the overly simplisitic political system we have apparently put into place now. Lmao. 2017 is going to be so much fun! Oh, and Che Guevara died 50 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 04:58 PM) WEll, duh. But he can literally take credit for water being wet and people believe it. It's easier to dupe people than convince them they are being duped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) Even then, how many professional who average thst type of salary for 20+ year don't end up with a net worth in the $2.5-3 million range, at least? They might not be true 1%ers....but they're still generating most of their retirement income from investments (many shielded from taxes) and real estate. You don't have to run a hedge fund or work for one of the big banks to fall into this category. There was an article weeks ago asserting the average benefit to the 1% would be $300,000 while the average middle class tax payer would get $900 back. With inflation expected to rise eventually, a good chunk of that will be completely wiped out...the deficit will grow to $25 trillion...and those families will still vote for Trump because he "saved" a handful of jobs at Carrier and put a 5% import tax on Chinese and Mexican goods which further wiped out the remaining tax cut benefits by passing added costs onto consumers. It's also a consistent GOP talking point to claim that the estate tax kills numerous small businesses (forcing them to be sold or split up) and small American farms, but that's also been determined to be the case only 3% of the time. But slap the label of death tax and death panels on it...the majority will buy will buy that narrative. The same argument is buried here...those who are being taxed too highly are "good Americans" and hard-working people like everyone else with upper middle class (not elite) values. That statistic is probably skewed because I presume the 1% impact as a percentage of their income could be significantly different. As a percent savings, it might be pretty significant. I still fully believe that the people who are the most tax screwed are most likely the upper middle class people or for the sake of this exercise, because the data is available, the 80-99%th percentile (134K - 615K by tax bracket), they also pay approximately 38% of total taxes). The 1% pays about 46^ of the taxes, but that is largley skewed by the fact that you are taking about huge mega dollars getting applied to a capital gains rate, so the effective rates at that level are much lower then the effective rates of the 80-99% percentile of income). More specifically, it is those who are in that percentile who are not self-employed who take even more of the brunt as their are just so few tax advantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 07:10 AM) You know saying something that dangerous is the exact sort of thing that people warned of with Trump, and were met with claims of exaggerating Trump's danger. People are just too far removed from the 1930s and 40s and for some reason think stuff like this can't happen again. But it wasn't happening again because those citizens post WWII valued that peace and stability, and it's clear many are taking it for granted. Boy, the book "the end of history" really had a short shelf life. History repeats itself. Civilizations forget the first hand impacts of war and therefor repeat the past. I am so damn afraid of going to war, more selfishly, bringing it to our land or getting to a point where we had to instill a form of draft. The scariest part is, war in the modern era can literally wipe the population off the face of the earth with the threat of nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) History repeats itself. Civilizations forget the first hand impacts of war and therefor repeat the past. I am so damn afraid of going to war, more selfishly, bringing it to our land or getting to a point where we had to instill a form of draft. The scariest part is, war in the modern era can literally wipe the population off the face of the earth with the threat of nukes. That's happened plenty in the past, even on this continent. It just has the potential to happen in hours now, instead of months or years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) That statistic is probably skewed because I presume the 1% impact as a percentage of their income could be significantly different. As a percent savings, it might be pretty significant. I still fully believe that the people who are the most tax screwed are most likely the upper middle class people or for the sake of this exercise, because the data is available, the 80-99%th percentile (134K - 615K by tax bracket), they also pay approximately 38% of total taxes). The 1% pays about 46^ of the taxes, but that is largley skewed by the fact that you are taking about huge mega dollars getting applied to a capital gains rate, so the effective rates at that level are much lower then the effective rates of the 80-99% percentile of income). More specifically, it is those who are in that percentile who are not self-employed who take even more of the brunt as their are just so few tax advantages. I'm just not sure how that group and Trump's typical voters in Wisconsin, MI, PA and Ohio have interests that are aligned. This latter group will be decimated by Ryan/Grover Norquist and Tom Price...and not so much by Trump's numerous conflicts of interest. Edited January 4, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/227116738-story And the purpose of the share is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Has anyone seen news on how to get tickets for the Presidential farewall speech? Last I saw was they were going to give them away on Saturday, but nothing since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/227116738-story I hope those stupid f***s get serious time. Absolutely disgusting to do that to anyone let alone a special needs kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 07:39 PM) I hope those stupid f***s get serious time. Absolutely disgusting to do that to anyone let alone a special needs kid. Hate crime charges need to be filed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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