Kyyle23 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Poor orange baby hands is so mad at overrated Meryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) Poor orange baby hands is so mad at overrated Meryl Why resort to name calling? He would never...nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) Poor orange baby hands is so mad at overrated Meryl " you'll have nothing to watch but football and mixed martial arts" Where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) The suicide rate will definitely climb if we have to watch Florence Foster Jenkins and Mama Mia 24 hours per day. https://www.yahoo.com/news/mcconnell-dems-g...--election.html Whatever McConnell thinks should go...let's all grow up and not do anything to obstruct the GOPers who are suddenly on a mission to change the world in their own image. Edited January 9, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) Poor orange baby hands is so mad at overrated Meryl How dare she be eloquent and talk about how he mocked a disabled person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Kellyanne Conway's quick hits: - “She sounds like 2014. The election is over. She lost." Ok, yup, you won. So now take all of the criticism that comes with the most powerful position in the world. - "Why can't you give him the benefit of the doubt, the way the benefit of the doubt was given to CNN’s polling, all of its analysts, everybody in the word saying. That is not what he did and he has said that a thousand times, as he tweeted out today, he has said a hundred times. You always want to go by what’s come out of his mouth rather than look at what’s in his heart." Well, there's footage of him doing it. And no, he can try to be more tactful considering he's going to be the goddamn President. - “I didn’t hear her even use her platform last night to give a shout out to the mentally challenged boy who last week was tortured live on Facebook for half an hour by four young African-American adults who were screaming racial and anti-Trump expletives and forcing him to put his head in toilet water." Ah, I'm glad "BOTH SIDES!!!" exists now with f***ing Hollywood actresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) Poor orange baby hands is so mad at overrated Meryl Only in 2017 do we take a speech about compassion and understanding and make it about "left vs right". People have turned so f***ing pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:35 PM) You would think that 2% who's going to actually be paying HIGHER taxes would be a bit upset that almost all of the benefits of the new tax policies are flowing upwards to the Top 1%, and, more specifically, the Top 10% of that 1%. These 2-3%ers are SUPPOSEDLY the JOB CREATORS/FAMILY FARMERS/SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL, are they not? Or these are "merely" white collar professionals who mostly work FOR someone else? So they can safely be overlooked by Trump, because the majority of them aren't likely to vote Democrat regardless? Being one of those special 2-3%ers, I work for a corporation. In Chicagoland, the $145k I made last year is usually going to be your white collar worker, not a small business owner. That said, what they take from my bonus will come back to me a little less. I'm happy to contribute but I sure as s*** wish the f***s above me we're contributing more, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) Being one of those special 2-3%ers, I work for a corporation. In Chicagoland, the $145k I made last year is usually going to be your white collar worker, not a small business owner. That said, what they take from my bonus will come back to me a little less. I'm happy to contribute but I sure as s*** wish the f***s above me we're contributing more, too. The people above you have advantages of being able to work the tax system that you may never have. To me, thats an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 For example, our soon-President admitted that he hasn't paid taxes in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/chart-shows...affect-you.html I still don't understand how many people could get on board with this tax plan. It does practically nothing for the masses, and that includes anyone outside of the top 1%. There are so few groups who get any real benefit and to me, as I've argued many times, I think there should be a differentiation on those making 500K+ per year (and even more so when you get into the millions). It only makes sense for the very elite to help the support...they'll argue they already do, and I agree, they pay plenty in taxes, but the effective rates at those levels is nowhere near the effective rate of people making low to mid 6 figures (I have no fact to back this up, but can only assume this to be true and can't possibly believe it isn't, as I presume so much more of the income on those mega earners is from capital gains / businesses which can help tax treatment). I'm not saying we should tax them more, but I certainly don't agree with drastically reducing their taxes and do not believe that it will just create massive jobs. Just means more wealth will be hoarded to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 10:09 AM) The people above you have advantages of being able to work the tax system that you may never have. To me, thats an issue. The fact that I pay a much higher effective tax rate then someone who makes millions of dollars just doesn't feel right to me. Yes, they may pay more in an absolute basis, but as a percent of income, they pay a lot less, which to me means taxes have a far less effect on them then others. Trumps plan totally screws the upper middle class brackets and doesn't do much for the lower income brackets (and to some extent, hard to do much for brackets that have pretty low effective to almost nill tax rates). I didn't like Hillary's plan cause I felt it raised the already high taxes on upper mid class too much (mainly because what is upper mid by national levels may not equate to that by geographic locations). I might be rich if I lived in a small city in Iowa, but not where I live, far from it, so to be taxed like it, just doesn't feel right. That said, I do support a fair effective tax rate for the wealthy (because I feel that under the current system, they get a pretty sizable break). I'm not one who says that we should just tax the rich, I just feel in the current system, the ultra wealthy get ridiculously favorable tax treatment vs. the general masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:09 PM) The people above you have advantages of being able to work the tax system that you may never have. To me, thats an issue. f*** them. f*** them in their poopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Trump's/GOP's tax plans will also almost definitely include removing the estate tax, something that only effects estates of $5.34M or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) Trump's/GOP's tax plans will also almost definitely include removing the estate tax, something that only effects estates of $5.34M or more. It will allow the McCaskeys to keep the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/chart-shows...affect-you.html I still don't understand how many people could get on board with this tax plan. It does practically nothing for the masses, and that includes anyone outside of the top 1%. There are so few groups who get any real benefit and to me, as I've argued many times, I think there should be a differentiation on those making 500K+ per year (and even more so when you get into the millions). It only makes sense for the very elite to help the support...they'll argue they already do, and I agree, they pay plenty in taxes, but the effective rates at those levels is nowhere near the effective rate of people making low to mid 6 figures (I have no fact to back this up, but can only assume this to be true and can't possibly believe it isn't, as I presume so much more of the income on those mega earners is from capital gains / businesses which can help tax treatment). I'm not saying we should tax them more, but I certainly don't agree with drastically reducing their taxes and do not believe that it will just create massive jobs. Just means more wealth will be hoarded to me. One thing that hasn't been pointed out here yet is that their plan to substantially expand the standard deduction will mean that very few homeowners at the middle class level will be deducting the interest on their mortgages, so the mortgage interest deduction for middleclass taxpayers will basically evaporate as that is passed (it'll remain for those who have large enough incomes and deduction amounts to still itemize). That's going to produce a response in the housing market as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:14 PM) One thing that hasn't been pointed out here yet is that their plan to substantially expand the standard deduction will mean that very few homeowners at the middle class level will be deducting the interest on their mortgages, so the mortgage interest deduction for middleclass taxpayers will basically evaporate as that is passed (it'll remain for those who have large enough incomes and deduction amounts to still itemize). That's going to produce a response in the housing market as well. The housing market is in for a real s*** show. Its not only going to be harder to buy a house, but those that own it are going to have less tax benefits. Things are about to get real s***ty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 05:18 PM) The housing market is in for a real s*** show. Its not only going to be harder to buy a house, but those that own it are going to have less tax benefits. Things are about to get real s***ty. I think the adjustment will be far less than in 2008, but then again I am also working under the assumption that Dodd/Frank reduced some of the leveraged bets on housing and outright blatant fraud that blew up the financial industry, which I can't verify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 But I wanna move this summer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) But I wanna move this summer!!! If they pass their tax packages quickly that could be the best time to be buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 https://gma.yahoo.com/trump-expected-name-j...opstories.html# Kushner named senior advisor. No conflict of interest. Greg's publicity campaign for Ivanka replacing Chelsea in 2020 or 2024 can officially commence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:44 PM) https://gma.yahoo.com/trump-expected-name-j...opstories.html# Kushner named senior advisor. No conflict of interest. Greg's publicity campaign for Ivanka replacing Chelsea in 2020 or 2024 can officially commence. #FillDaSwamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:35 PM) If they pass their tax packages quickly that could be the best time to be buying. It would be interesting to weigh that against the rates going up. I knew I shoulda refinanced a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) I think the adjustment will be far less than in 2008, but then again I am also working under the assumption that Dodd/Frank reduced some of the leveraged bets on housing and outright blatant fraud that blew up the financial industry, which I can't verify. Well, many of the guys that perpetrated that fraud are now in prominent positions in our government. So that cant be a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) Well, many of the guys that perpetrated that fraud are now in prominent positions in our government. So that cant be a good sign. Well they're not there yet and it took years of non-enforcement to build up enough fraud to lead to the last implosion, so you've got several years to worry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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